When Did Having Healthcare become a Right?

[Anonymous]

Well there used to be a federal tax imposed on you if you don’t. That’s now at zero but many states still have minimums. If your taxed for not having it then one could argue that you indeed are entitled to an affordable option that offers coverage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13:03 beautifully illustrates the evil machine maga wishes to correct. The machine is make people sick via food, air, water, etc., thus forcing them into lifelong, the painful sick care industry.

I’m here in Trump country, says so on the yard billboard sign I passed by on my way to the beach.

I’m here now, stocking up on groceries for the week, one thing that is very clear, is that, if you take away the Mega MAGA’s ho-hos, ding dongs, Doritos and 2 liter sodi-pop, and try to make them eat vegetables, there will be Jan. 6 style riots up in the heart of Trump-Landia.

Generalize much? Now look at the grocery store habits of people living in the inner cities or poor communities in blue states. You could also say the same thing about wealthy enclaves drinking many bottles of wine, beer, and liquor, combined with pizza, gourmet carry out, etc... a poor diet has nothing to do with wealth or politics. The US has an addiction to unhealthy food across the political spectrum.

You are confusing bad nutrition driven by different levels of poverty, for example inner city people without cars and thus without access to a decent grocery store, versus the people who may be poor but at least have cars and who could be going to a grocery store and buying healthy food but instead buy junk food. It seems to me you live in affluence insulated from any deeper insights into the things that you want to lecture the rest of us about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

Let's turn the question differently....what is more expensive, having people running to emergency rooms with every malady or condition, or...providing once a year check ups with proactive medicine to catch things before they become acute. And, while you are pondering this question, consider that every industrialized country in the world has universal healthcare or some version of it.

The people running to the ER everytime something comes up are definitely not going to be the people to go to their “preventative” care appt. Heath in our country is terrible bc people don’t care to take care of themselves. Just look at any grocery cart coming out of Costco, Giant, etc.

This is probably discriminatory somehow. Just for clarity, we can change this to Harris teeter in great falls. Same problem.

There is no Harris Teeter in Great Falls

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

Details on the Amish are spotty because they don't participate in health surveys. They do slightly better on life expectancy and chronic disease but worse on infant mortality and higher rates of genetic defects. They have slightly lower rates of obesity and cancer, but higher rates of preventable infectious disease outbreaks like measles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

50 years ago people would burn it off through physical activity, now they are much more sedentary and it all just congeals in the blood vessels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

[Anonymous]

The General Welfare clause appears in the Preamble and Article I Section 8 Clause 1 of the Constitution and gives a broad mandate that would encompass and support things like Universal Healthcare. That broad mandate has been upheld in the courts in cases like US v. Butler and Helvering v. Davis.

Conservatives who try to claim otherwise ignore all of this and have not made a compelling case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

50 years ago people would burn it off through physical activity, now they are much more sedentary and it all just congeals in the blood vessels.

50 years ago people died so they did not count as a chronic disease metric. Yes you will have more chronic diseases when we keep people alive longer than 50 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Lipid/cholesterol testing did not even become prevalent until the late 80s. Now, tween age kids are routinely screened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13:03 beautifully illustrates the evil machine maga wishes to correct. The machine is make people sick via food, air, water, etc., thus forcing them into lifelong, the painful sick care industry.

I’m here in Trump country, says so on the yard billboard sign I passed by on my way to the beach.

I’m here now, stocking up on groceries for the week, one thing that is very clear, is that, if you take away the Mega MAGA’s ho-hos, ding dongs, Doritos and 2 liter sodi-pop, and try to make them eat vegetables, there will be Jan. 6 style riots up in the heart of Trump-Landia.

It costs $9 for a gallon of organic milk. $3 for a gallon of “regular” milk. Healthy food has always been more expensive because its not filled with additives to make it last longer, look prettier, increase agricultural profits, etc.

Generalize much? Now look at the grocery store habits of people living in the inner cities or poor communities in blue states. You could also say the same thing about wealthy enclaves drinking many bottles of wine, beer, and liquor, combined with pizza, gourmet carry out, etc... a poor diet has nothing to do with wealth or politics. The US has an addiction to unhealthy food across the political spectrum.

You are confusing bad nutrition driven by different levels of poverty, for example inner city people without cars and thus without access to a decent grocery store, versus the people who may be poor but at least have cars and who could be going to a grocery store and buying healthy food but instead buy junk food. It seems to me you live in affluence insulated from any deeper insights into the things that you want to lecture the rest of us about.

[Anonymous]

It costs $9 for a gallon of organic milk. $3 for a gallon of “regular” milk. Healthy food has always been more expensive because its not filled with additives to make it last longer, look prettier, increase agricultural profits, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

Obesity and sedentary lifestyle, sure, but obesity is driven by a diet high in calories including saturated dat and sugar primarily and we can all agree that ultraprocessed foods are less nutritious. Sugary cereals are not much better for you just because of removing a dye, they sre still ultraprocessed and sugary.

A Mediterranean diet of lean meat and vegetables and oil with lower saturated fat, more omegas, generally holds true as better for you and has better health outcomes than a diet high in saturated fat, based on research.

And still, if we are talking about ALL chronic disease, we have people living longer and a higher proportion of the population in elder years than before, increased screening, diagnosis, and high tech interventions than years past - which means chronic disease rates will be higher regardless, especially if people live longer. We did add six years to life expectancy than 50 years ago so we are doing some things right even though we have stalled. We also decreased cigarette smoking rates much better than Europe has.

The bottom line is, it's complicated.