When Did Having Healthcare become a Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

Lean meat and oil higher in unsaturated fat are better than red meat and butter. The research holds on this. Actually vegetarian diets have even better health outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA Dimwit: Ever heard the phrase "a rising tide lifts all boats"?

It means, for example:
Everyone benefits from an educated populace,
Everyone benefits from an populace with access to decent healthcare,
Everyone benefits from a public service infrastructure that, say, fights fires, or chases bank robbers, or maintains roadways, or makes certain foods and medicines are safe to consumer, and so on...

Now, and stay with me here, as a corollary, everyone suffers from the absence of those things. In the case of healthcare, for example, even if you're healthy, having lots of people who aren't healthy is ultimately going to affect you, negatively, one way or the other. If children can't go to school, or if people can't eat, guess what, you will be affected, directly or indirectly, sooner or later, probably sooner.

A rising tide lifts all boats... and a receding/lowering one lowers all boats.

If you think about it, it's sort of a Christian concept: Care about other people (if only for the reason that not caring about others will ultimately mean their hardships come back on you, at some point, in some way.) It's also just a nice way to be, but it's a practical one, too.


Depends on how they have been educated and what they are educated in.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the healthcare in the US is very good. Most of the doctors are cranky and snappy and just want to push a pill to solve the problem. Invest in holistic doctors and naturopaths. They’re willing to do longer consults and really take the time to study you and since they don’t get much customers, they are flexible with payment plans

Pushing pills is all they can do in their allotted 15 minute visit mandated by insurance companies.

I go to a top cancer hospital and pills are what keep the patients alive and sometimes eliminate the cancer for decades. I go monthly and there are all kinds of people there, cancer doesn’t discriminate. They don’t hurry you in the visits. I think you might be thinking of what doctors call “the worried well”. It’s the patients who go to the office with every little thing. From blisters on their feet from walking in new shoes to a stuffy head and runny nose, no fever. They’d sit there for an hour if they could whining about nothing.

There are two sides to the problem, evil insurance companies and idiot patients.

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Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

All US citizens should have the same health care as members of Congress and their families--much of it free.

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Anonymous wrote:13:03 beautifully illustrates the evil machine maga wishes to correct. The machine is make people sick via food, air, water, etc., thus forcing them into lifelong, the painful sick care industry.

I’m here in Trump country, says so on the yard billboard sign I passed by on my way to the beach.

I’m here now, stocking up on groceries for the week, one thing that is very clear, is that, if you take away the Mega MAGA’s ho-hos, ding dongs, Doritos and 2 liter sodi-pop, and try to make them eat vegetables, there will be Jan. 6 style riots up in the heart of Trump-Landia.

ironically, the WaPo today has a story discussing a new inner city hospital and the heavy patient load it sees of people afflicted with diabetes and heart disease. Those are diet/exercise-related conditions for many people, implying that voluntary lifestyle choices are the root cause of that inner city population's health problems and consequent need for and consumption of health care.

Which population needs more health care, and why? Who pays for each population's health care?

Yeah those $0.79 nutritional lentils and $0.99 can of chicken broth just don’t compare to soda & McD.

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Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is a right in the civilized countries.

Wtf does that even mean: right to healthcare?

Healthcare exists?

Healthcare is free?

Healthcare is highly subsidized by someone?

Healthcare is unlimited?

Healthcare is immediate?

Healthcare treatment is effective?

Healthcare is the same regardless of age or health?

Healthcare allows me to show up at Dr or ER and get tested asap?

Doctors dictate the healthcare needed? Govt? Me? National insurance politician?

Healthcare drugs are free or highly subsidized and readily available?

Healthcare doctors, nurses and PA are abundant everywhere?

Healthcare is funded by and taxed to W-2 workers? VAT? Employers? Patients?

Who has skin in the game here? No one?

Great questions.

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It’s an expectation as human beings, no, that we assist someone in danger? Even animals ask humans for help. Would we turn down an animal in need? Why are so many so quick to turn away from a fellow human in need.

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I like that guy who over the weekend said that if people want insurance, they should just get a job.

Newsflash, bud, not every corporate job offers insurance. I'm with a small business right now and they are not required to offer insurance nor do they. I have to pay OOP for that. I pay a LOT OOP each month for a crappy ACA plan ($425/mo with an $8k deductible).

Am I looking for another job that offers insurance? Sure am and have been for about a year. It's brutal out there.

And the job I had before this one that offered insurance, guess what happened to it? The company outsourced their Finance department to India.

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I had to call around and get my own health insurance when I went to college. So I did and chose an Aetna plan. Bfd.

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My parents ran a small business together and had to buy the family’s health insurance in the open market. So they did. It’s never cheap unless a single person high deductible plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I had to call around and get my own health insurance when I went to college. So I did and chose an Aetna plan. Bfd.

Cool story.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that guy who over the weekend said that if people want insurance, they should just get a job.

Newsflash, bud, not every corporate job offers insurance. I'm with a small business right now and they are not required to offer insurance nor do they. I have to pay OOP for that. I pay a LOT OOP each month for a crappy ACA plan ($425/mo with an $8k deductible).

Am I looking for another job that offers insurance? Sure am and have been for about a year. It's brutal out there.

And the job I had before this one that offered insurance, guess what happened to it? The company outsourced their Finance department to India.

Cool story bro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

It’s entirely because of lifestyle, which includes eating a lot of high calorie foods and large portions, and not exercising enough.

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Anonymous wrote:It costs $9 for a gallon of organic milk. $3 for a gallon of “regular” milk. Healthy food has always been more expensive because its not filled with additives to make it last longer, look prettier, increase agricultural profits, etc.

You can still buy rice, beans, seasonal fruits and vegetables for a reasonable price. Most people don’t want to eat them, though.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not a right.

After the COVID disaster the system and expertise is shown to be crappy anyway

I'll take your spot then MAHA. have a safe trip home.

The unvaccinated un- hospitalized Amish outlive the pharma-mRNA zombies

Because they do physical labor all day long and grow all of their own food.

The amount of meat and butter they consume is off the chain.

I’m not convinced meat and butter are that bad for the health. Commonly eaten 50 years ago when there was less disease? I think most of the heart issues seen back then were due to smoking not necessarily saturated fat.

I think seed oils and sugar are worse than meat and butter

There was not necessarily less disease but less diagnosis. You think medical assessment and diagnostics were the same 50 years ago? Don't confuse increased diagnosis with increased disease. The assessment here is complicated. Also, if you died earlier in your 50s or 60s, then sure you wouldn't count in the chronic disease metric.

Meat and butter are far better for you than artificial, chemically-infused food. Obesity didn’t explode the last few decades because of lifestyle.

The rise in global obesity is directly linked to increased pesticide use. I love how everyone blames individuals for all our ills instead of looking to our government and corporations screwing us over for profit. Look at the farm lobby, the pesticide lobby, the health lobby, then tell us how much power individuals have.