Yield Protection?

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Well if you must know, we could not visit any schools due to an extended illness and death in the immediate family. Also had an issue with duplicate email addresses getting into the database at one school.

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A school that has a reputation for deferring/denying/waitlisting high stats students, and/or considers demonstrated interest per section C7 of their Common Data Set, should be automatically excluded from being considered as a possible safety, by definition. Low target, yes. Safety, no.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Well if you must know, we could not visit any schools due to an extended illness and death in the immediate family. Also had an issue with duplicate email addresses getting into the database at one school.

You don’t have to visit to show interest. My younger child did not want to do visits until after she got in. She did the online tours and attended online admissions events and talked to reps when they came to her school. Had great results.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

Well yes, your kid can only attend ONE school. Yet most apply to 8-10+. My kid would have been happy at any school they applied to. They chose great Safeties. Obviously, you prefer your reaches and targets more, but it truly is your job to convince a school why you want to attend. It's not "lying"---it's about writing essays about why the school is a great fit for you, doing research so you include details beyond basic to show you care and have knowledge about the programs you are interested in. Hint: most kids who get in (when your kid didn't) also have great stats. They just presented themselves better and convinced the school they would be a great fit. Because they recognize that there is more to a well rounded person than SAT scores and GPA (and realize that a 3.9UW is not that far off from a 4.0UW).



But you go ahead and have your kid just apply to one school ED, if they don't get in, then apply to only 1 school, because you "cannot try to convince more than 1 school you want to attend". Let me know how that works out.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

I never said to "lie about ECs and awards". Presenting yourself in essays and questions to the AO to try and show each school is your #1/that you really want to attend is simply about presenting yourself. Writing great supplemental essays that demonstrate you truly understand the university and more in-depth about programs you are interested in is not "lying", it's doing the work needed. Schools want kids who want to attend. Anyone who can present themselves in a good manner will go far. Just like in the real world---it's Called EQ and goes a long way. Someone with that and a 1540 will likely go further than your 1580 kid who thinks all that matters is a high gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Purported "high stats" kids use lower-tier schools as safeties and have no intention of matriculating there if accepted. It goes both ways.

THis 1000%

Parents are mad that a school their kid really doesn't want to attend didn't accept their kid. So if anything, the school was spot on in their decision making. It's up to your kid to convince the school otherwise.

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Every year, we read posts by parents who arrogantly classify certain schools as "safeties." You know their kid isn't actually considering attending them - and the schools know this! They can tell who is just casually throwing out apps and who truly wants to attend. Frankly, I always find it amusing when parents throw a fit because their kid - who was shooting for top schools - didn't get admitted to their safeties, which they totally took as a given.

It's migrated to the kids, too. The reddit apply to college forum has kids saying they were yield protected when they actually just applied to colleges that are really selective.

Yeah you cannot be "yield protected" at a school with sub 20% acceptance rates.

Also, even in the 20-50% acceptance rates, if a school does not think you really want to attend, why the hell would they offer you admission? They want kids who want to attend. And your kid likely doesn't if they consider that their "safety"

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

I'm the PP---By "tell every school they are your #1 choice" simply means convince the school you are very interested and demonstrate why. Visit (if you can), tour the depts you are interested in, as meaningful questions of the AO that show you have researched the school and are not just "tossing darts at safeties/targets". Just like when you go for a job interview, you don't tell them "oh, I have 3 other interviews this week and you guys are not really my favorite" you present yourself in the best light and act like you really want that job. That's not lying, that's simply what good candidates do.

And just like your kid, my high stats kid got into all their targets and safeties, WL at one T30, Deferred then rejected at their ED (T10), rejected at another T25 and in at NEU for a year abroad. So in reality only "rejected" from two schools (both T25) and accepted or WL at everything else. Because they visited most (all were a huge distance), and did online visits/seminars at the other two and communicated at the AO at all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Well if you must know, we could not visit any schools due to an extended illness and death in the immediate family. Also had an issue with duplicate email addresses getting into the database at one school.

Post covid, visits can be done "online". Communicate with a AO and ask meaningful questions and get more details, and mention why you are so sorry you were not able to physically visit---you can demonstrate interest without a physical visit easily at most schools

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.[/quote

No offense, but those kids aren't "high stats kids." The fact is that Elon simply does not let in high stats kids, no matter how "interest" or essay tailoring they did. Elon was a safety for both of my kids. It was a school that had they not gotten into their reaches or matches, they would have happily attended. They were "high stats," but not top 10 high stats. Top 10 high stats kids don't apply. Higher stats, but not tippy top, will apply to Elon and be happy going there. But guess what? They don't get in. My first kid got deferred in EA, then waitlisted in RD at Elon, while getting into multiple matches: Lehigh, Lafayette, Pitt, W&M, and one reach: Georgetown. He showed great interest in Elon. There is no way that wasn't Elon gaming the rankings. My second kid got outright rejected while also getting into much more highly ranked, more desirable schools, including again, Lafayette and W&M, plus Hamilton--her first choice, and Tulane. Their rejections are outright yield protection in a desperate effort to game the rankings game. In the case of my kids, they did get it right, but I would guess they are missing a lot of strong kids who would actually go there through these shenanigans.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.[/quote

No offense, but those kids aren't "high stats kids." The fact is that Elon simply does not let in high stats kids, no matter how "interest" or essay tailoring they did. Elon was a safety for both of my kids. It was a school that had they not gotten into their reaches or matches, they would have happily attended. They were "high stats," but not top 10 high stats. Top 10 high stats kids don't apply. Higher stats, but not tippy top, will apply to Elon and be happy going there. But guess what? They don't get in. My first kid got deferred in EA, then waitlisted in RD at Elon, while getting into multiple matches: Lehigh, Lafayette, Pitt, W&M, and one reach: Georgetown. He showed great interest in Elon. There is no way that wasn't Elon gaming the rankings. My second kid got outright rejected while also getting into much more highly ranked, more desirable schools, including again, Lafayette and W&M, plus Hamilton--her first choice, and Tulane. Their rejections are outright yield protection in a desperate effort to game the rankings game. In the case of my kids, they did get it right, but I would guess they are missing a lot of strong kids who would actually go there through these shenanigans.

Did your kid write a LOCI when they were deferred?

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Calm down, my kid hasn't applied yet. But they would certainly prefer to use their time pursuing their actual interests as opposed to researching a dozen or so schools themselves so they can write a fake essay on how they must go there or nowhere else. Intellectually, it's a waste of time. You love it because that advantages students who have time to waste, I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Calm down, my kid hasn't applied yet. But they would certainly prefer to use their time pursuing their actual interests as opposed to researching a dozen or so schools themselves so they can write a fake essay on how they must go there or nowhere else. Intellectually, it's a waste of time. You love it because that advantages students who have time to waste, I guess?

DP: wow, you are quite literal/ b&w thinker. No one is saying write a fake essay. Why would you apply to a school that you need to fake that you want to attend? People on this thread are trying to tell you that kids should 1) pick targets/safeties that they ACTUALLY want to attend and 2) write an essay explaining WHY you want to attend and are a good fit. How would your child know if they want to attend if they don't do the research?!

I am hiring for a position and we received over 200 applications. Half the applicants clearly didn't do any research about our organization and didn't express in their cover letter why we should consider them for the position. Why should I consider them?

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Calm down, my kid hasn't applied yet. But they would certainly prefer to use their time pursuing their actual interests as opposed to researching a dozen or so schools themselves so they can write a fake essay on how they must go there or nowhere else. Intellectually, it's a waste of time. You love it because that advantages students who have time to waste, I guess?

DP: wow, you are quite literal/ b&w thinker. No one is saying write a fake essay. Why would you apply to a school that you need to fake that you want to attend? People on this thread are trying to tell you that kids should 1) pick targets/safeties that they ACTUALLY want to attend and 2) write an essay explaining WHY you want to attend and are a good fit. How would your child know if they want to attend if they don't do the research?!

I am hiring for a position and we received over 200 applications. Half the applicants clearly didn't do any research about our organization and didn't express in their cover letter why we should consider them for the position. Why should I consider them?

You sound like an HR drone ecstatic that the crappy school your growling child attends have similar people working there. "I am a very important person working for a very important company and you must show me respect".

Meanwhile, kids apply to a bunch of schools because going to college anywhere is better than going nowhere. So yeah, they will attend a crappy safety if they didn't get anywhere else. Just like your husband married you after every other woman rejected him.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Calm down, my kid hasn't applied yet. But they would certainly prefer to use their time pursuing their actual interests as opposed to researching a dozen or so schools themselves so they can write a fake essay on how they must go there or nowhere else. Intellectually, it's a waste of time. You love it because that advantages students who have time to waste, I guess?

You do the research Not to just write the essays, but to inform yourself what each school offers, so that you can have an amazing list of Reach, targets and safeties that you actually want to attend. It doesn't take that much time. You ask AO questions to show demonstrated interest, and make the questions "beyond basic stuff" to show you have researched the school and have actual interest in knowing more in depth information.

or you don't do that, and then you sit back and complain "my really smart kid was Yield protected" when they don't get admitted to their low targets or safeties. Any school is searching for kids who will be a great fit there and who ALSO want to attend. If they think they can tell that, they will use the information when making decisions. It's the smart thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

Calm down, my kid hasn't applied yet. But they would certainly prefer to use their time pursuing their actual interests as opposed to researching a dozen or so schools themselves so they can write a fake essay on how they must go there or nowhere else. Intellectually, it's a waste of time. You love it because that advantages students who have time to waste, I guess?

DP: wow, you are quite literal/ b&w thinker. No one is saying write a fake essay. Why would you apply to a school that you need to fake that you want to attend? People on this thread are trying to tell you that kids should 1) pick targets/safeties that they ACTUALLY want to attend and 2) write an essay explaining WHY you want to attend and are a good fit. How would your child know if they want to attend if they don't do the research?!

I am hiring for a position and we received over 200 applications. Half the applicants clearly didn't do any research about our organization and didn't express in their cover letter why we should consider them for the position. Why should I consider them?

Exactly! This carries over to "real life" in the future. Demonstrated interest, perseverance, willing to do a bit more work (or in this case just any effort) take you far in life.