Yield Protection?

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:When is the whole "enrollment cliff" supposed to happen? Aren't admissions going to get easier in the next few years?

Yes, so Harvard’s acceptance rate will go from 5% to 6%.

That’s a joke.

The enrollment cliff is already happening. It’s won’t affect big name schools. It will mean small schools will get more aggressive with marketing and yield. It will mean some small schools close. We are already seeing that.

No. 2007 was the largest birth year in American history. Most of those kids are part of the HS class of 2025. This year is peak.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

My kid got into Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomono and WL and weightlisted at Dartmouth. Rejected from Brown.

So, it's very hard to know--depends on so many factors.

Sorry, as a Tufts grad, I'll tell you that Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomona are less selective than either Dartmouth or Brown. That's not yield protection. Evidence of yield protection would be if kid were accepted at Dartmouth and Brown and waitlisted at Tufts.

But if that happened, Tufts is justified in not admitting or WL the kid. They want kids who will attend. If they think the kid will get into several higher ranked schools, why should they admit them? The kid would rather attend the other schools. Tufts (and any school) wants kids who want to attend. End of game.

As :higher ranked" schools than Tufts will have a 5% acceptance rate, how could they possibly know any given kid will get into even one of them let alone several? They might think he is qualified to get into a "higher ranked" school but so are thousands of other applicants to those schools. Basically, they would be guessing, which is a dumb reason to reject someone.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

My kid got into Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomono and WL and weightlisted at Dartmouth. Rejected from Brown.

So, it's very hard to know--depends on so many factors.

Sorry, as a Tufts grad, I'll tell you that Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomona are less selective than either Dartmouth or Brown. That's not yield protection. Evidence of yield protection would be if kid were accepted at Dartmouth and Brown and waitlisted at Tufts.

But if that happened, Tufts is justified in not admitting or WL the kid. They want kids who will attend. If they think the kid will get into several higher ranked schools, why should they admit them? The kid would rather attend the other schools. Tufts (and any school) wants kids who want to attend. End of game.

As :higher ranked" schools than Tufts will have a 5% acceptance rate, how could they possibly know any given kid will get into even one of them let alone several? They might think he is qualified to get into a "higher ranked" school but so are thousands of other applicants to those schools. Basically, they would be guessing, which is a dumb reason to reject someone.

NP. This exactly.

The uncertainty has always been there, but the ability to have any sort of decent prediction on chances spiraled out of control when test optional happened.

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Anonymous wrote:We were told schools like Case Western and Tulane often defer EA applicants. Do, we intentionally 'demonstrated interest' by attending info sessions (online and on person when possible), opening all email, etc. My kid also reached out to academic departments with legit questions about curriculum, research, etc. Accepted at both with merit.

THis ^^^

You just need to convince them "you are my #1 choice, not a safety". It doesn't take much, but if you do that, you will likely get admitted.

Professors and research directors do NOT want to hear from prospective undergraduates, at least at highly selective schools. Prospectives email me and I tell them to contact the admissions department and get back in touch when they've matriculated. The admissions office does not see or track those kinds of communications. Keep your focus on things that can be seen and tracked by admissions.

Yes, obviuosly it's done via contacting Admissions, attending online events or in person events. Simply emailing the AO with some key questions that demonstrates that you have researched the school, are interested and need some more in-depth questions answered shows "demonstrated interest".

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

My kid got into Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomono and WL and weightlisted at Dartmouth. Rejected from Brown.

So, it's very hard to know--depends on so many factors.

Sorry, as a Tufts grad, I'll tell you that Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomona are less selective than either Dartmouth or Brown. That's not yield protection. Evidence of yield protection would be if kid were accepted at Dartmouth and Brown and waitlisted at Tufts.

But if that happened, Tufts is justified in not admitting or WL the kid. They want kids who will attend. If they think the kid will get into several higher ranked schools, why should they admit them? The kid would rather attend the other schools. Tufts (and any school) wants kids who want to attend. End of game.

As :higher ranked" schools than Tufts will have a 5% acceptance rate, how could they possibly know any given kid will get into even one of them let alone several? They might think he is qualified to get into a "higher ranked" school but so are thousands of other applicants to those schools. Basically, they would be guessing, which is a dumb reason to reject someone.

Tufts has sub 10% acceptance rates. So yes, they are likely "guessing" about some students, that they will get into T25. They are also most likely just admitting who they think will attend and WHO MAKES THE BEST FIT for Tufts. Because they are rejecting 90%+ of the students as well.

Key issue is your kid having a 1580+/ 4.0UW/10AP+/Excellent ECs does not guarantee them a place at any T50 school. When they are rejected it is NOT Yield protection. It's that they reject the majority of students. And yes, schools have ways to calculate who they think will NOT attend---and most complaining have kids who don't want to attend those schools unless they don't get into 5+ other schools, so the university is actually right. It's on the kid to convince the school otherwise, thru essays, demonstrating interest, etc.

My 1500/3.98UW/8AP kid got rejected from 2 T25, WL at Tufts, in at NEU for Global Scholars and accepted everywhere else. So in at all targets and safeties, WL at 1 Reach and first year abroad at another Reach. Good stats IMO. But that is because they worked hard to find great targets and safeties and Show interest at all of them. One target we didnt even get to visit, yet my kid got accepted with Top merit (for a school people say does Yield protection).

Why? Who knows, but my kid did focus on making sure everything was top notch for the targets and safeties, and we carefully selected them so my kid would be happy attending any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Purported "high stats" kids use lower-tier schools as safeties and have no intention of matriculating there if accepted. It goes both ways.

THis 1000%

Parents are mad that a school their kid really doesn't want to attend didn't accept their kid. So if anything, the school was spot on in their decision making. It's up to your kid to convince the school otherwise.

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Every year, we read posts by parents who arrogantly classify certain schools as "safeties." You know their kid isn't actually considering attending them - and the schools know this! They can tell who is just casually throwing out apps and who truly wants to attend. Frankly, I always find it amusing when parents throw a fit because their kid - who was shooting for top schools - didn't get admitted to their safeties, which they totally took as a given.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Purported "high stats" kids use lower-tier schools as safeties and have no intention of matriculating there if accepted. It goes both ways.

THis 1000%

Parents are mad that a school their kid really doesn't want to attend didn't accept their kid. So if anything, the school was spot on in their decision making. It's up to your kid to convince the school otherwise.

+1
Every year, we read posts by parents who arrogantly classify certain schools as "safeties." You know their kid isn't actually considering attending them - and the schools know this! They can tell who is just casually throwing out apps and who truly wants to attend. Frankly, I always find it amusing when parents throw a fit because their kid - who was shooting for top schools - didn't get admitted to their safeties, which they totally took as a given.

It's migrated to the kids, too. The reddit apply to college forum has kids saying they were yield protected when they actually just applied to colleges that are really selective.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Your view is so judgmental and cynical. The lower ranked schools are making a calculation, often based on demonstrated interest. Educational achievement is not a strike against these almighty high stats kids. The reality is that they likely did not show interest or did not tailor their essays to the school. Lower stats schools would love to have high stats kids but they want kids who want to be there and who will accept. My kid went to Elon and there are plenty of high stats kids there. They are kids who wanted to be there and likely articulated why. They are kids who applied for programs like fellows. That shows the school they are serious. They are not kids who just clicked a few boxes and cut and pasted a couple of essays. These schools can tell who has spent the time getting to know the school and actually wants to be there as opposed to the kids who were told they need a “safety” and assume they are too good for the school and can’t be bothered to demonstrate interest.

If your kid demonstrated interest and did not get in, there is likely some other problem.

Exactly! It's up to your kid to convince each and every school they are your #1 choice. If you don't do that, it's on you.
Also, recognize that at a T25, 85-90% of the kids are "highly qualified", so your 1580 and 4.0UW are nothing special---most kids meet the "academic threshold". So it's on you to highlight yourself and why you should be attending.

For ex: at my kid's top Target (and where they ended up), there were 3 supplementals. One gave the option to provide a video/photo collection, ideally of something you have great interest in, such as music/dance/artwork/etc. My kid submitted a video of them dancing. It was open ended, allows for creativity and sure as hell makes it more exciting for the AO watching it rather than reading "yet another essay". I suspect anyone who submitted a video rather than just an essay gets a "leg up". This is at a school that strongly encourages students to learn just for learning and to explore anything that interests them. This "essay" is a way to highlight your creativity and show them you up close and personal.

the garbage people here accept. stockholm syndrome if ever there was one.

according to your own accounts, your own kids preferred other schools (reaches) to their targets. so THEY LIED that their targets and safeties were their #1 choices. and these inferior schools TEACH STUDENTS TO FAKE INTEREST in order to have a backup. sometimes you have to do it, but you people love it. yes, yes, my kid got in because he LIED WELL and your kid didn't because they relied on their "stats", you know, their talent and hardwork. you gotta learn to lie!

+1 it’s garbage

Plus then there are the kids lying about ECs and awards. My kid told the truth and then watched some of their classmates embellish and then got celebrated for their admissions results.

How about instead of lying, the kids actually find safeties they like and would be happy to attend? Or is your kid too good for every school under T25?

I’m not the poster you are referring to and I don’t think you have to (or should) tell every school they are your first choice, but you should legitimately have reasons why you would want to go there and the application you reflect that interest and that you have done some research on the school.

Be honest, your kids just threw in the app and didn’t do any work. I had a kid with high stats who actually spent time visiting safeties as well as reaches and had things she liked about every school (including the safeties). She got into every target and safety.

“Actually find safeties they’d be happy to attend” is what we’re trying to do? My kid is a junior, they haven’t applied anywhere yet. They have high stats, so any school that routinely rejects high stats kids is not a safety for them.

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I have heard the dean of admissions at VT is obsessed with yield protection. Any truth to that?