Yield Protection?

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Not everyone is financially able to apply ED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast.

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schools don't care about fit - students and parents do.

schools want to admit the strongest students possible. and that doesn't mean "stats" only - also ECs etc. all top schools will take YouTuber with a million followers over another 1600/4.0. will - unless they yield protect.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast.

case is trying to get into 25-30 by yield protecting. that's the whole point. to be honest, i think they should be top 40. there are some clearly inferior schools ahead of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Not everyone is financially able to apply ED.

A non-issue. As many have repeatedly noted, run the net price calculator before you apply ED. If you can't afford ED then you couldn't afford RD either.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast.

case is trying to get into 25-30 by yield protecting. that's the whole point. to be honest, i think they should be top 40. there are some clearly inferior schools ahead of them.

Yield has not been used in the ranking calculation since 2003. What colleges are mostly trying to do now, by managing their yield, is ensure financial solvency with the "right" number of full-pay students versus students with need.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast.

Kids are absolutely trying to better-deal CWRU. It is their backup in case they don't get admitted to the colleges where they really want to go - MIT, CMU, etc. Few science kids really and truly want to be in a third-tier school in Cleveland, lmao.

By your logic every single school should clearly say who they are going to accept or reject just so kids can decide whether or not to apply. Post gpa / class rank / test score cutoffs. The problem (which people who believe yield protection actually happens can never understand) is that no selective college accepts or rejects "purely" on your stats. Therefore clearly saying who they will accept or reject is impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there’s something else that people are forgetting- so many of the students that think they are being “yield protected” have academic and demographic profiles that are way over-represented in the applicant pool, ie UMC, STEM, east coast/west coast, affluent neighborhoods, etc. Universities are simply inundated with these types of students so it is disproportionately hard for these kids to get everywhere including into the 30% schools. The need for schools to fill all their departments and create diverse student bodies creates a ton of randomness that may feel like yield protection but really is just reflecting institutional needs.

you are not randomly getting princeton while being rejected at villanova.

But getting into Princeton and WL at Tufts? In at Northwestern and rejected at Emory? People constantly cry “yield protection” in these cases when they are very likely the result of the randomness of which the PP speaks.

Because both Tufts and Emory are still REACHES for almost everyone--with sub 20% acceptance rates.
So someone who is a good fit for Princeton might not be for Tufts. Or their essays were not as strong at tufts

Exactly- I’m the PP and this is the point I was making. It is entirely possible that someone can get into Princeton and not Tufts for reasons that have nothing to do with yield protection. Could be the essays, could be the number of kids from the applicant’s school that applied, could be how the extra curricular activities stood out (or didn’t stand out) among the applicant pool in the very quick review process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which schools are most attentive to yield protection? Any data or anecdotes you can share?

Check out what percentage they take ED1 amd if they offer ED2..

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Exactly! Case is a perfect example, one who will do an accurate readout of your merit and FA before ED1 or ED2. They want to admit high stats students. But they cannot just admit all who have a 1500+ and 3.8+ because years of stats tell them many many many many of those students would rather attend a T25 school, and many will get in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Not everyone is financially able to apply ED.

Do you understand Case Western? If you did, you would know that Case will provide an extremely accurate FA and Merit aid package for any student interested in ED1 or ED2. They want top students who want Case. Call the AO, ask to discuss financials and you will get the details. Then you can decide if you can afford Case. If so, apply ED1/ED2. If not, then no need to apply

They give excellent merit and will let you know how much you will be getting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Not everyone is financially able to apply ED.

A non-issue. As many have repeatedly noted, run the net price calculator before you apply ED. If you can't afford ED then you couldn't afford RD either.

This is false at Case, because they offer merit but don’t include it in the net price calculator. So there’s no way to know how much it will actually cost for your particular kid unless they apply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast.

Just like all schools, it is not 100% GPA and SAT. There are some Top stats kids who they wouldn't take, even if you ED1 or ED2, because they don't deem you the right fit or a good candidate. So it's not like your 2nd tier state schools who say "anyone with a X+ SAT or 3.Y+ GPA UW will be guaranteed admissions. Case still has a 30-35% acceptance rate. It is still a challenging school to gain admission to.

So instead, let students continue to apply and teach your kid to demonstrate interest. Many ways to do that, best is to visit (if possible) and have a communication channel with your admission officer, ask questions that show you have done your research and are interested (go beyond basics). In most cases, your kid will get admitted.

And yes, many "high stats" are trying to "better deal case". If they really have case as a #1 or #2 school, they would ask for merit/fa readout, and seriously consider ED1/ED2. Case actually asks that of high stats candidates in EA many times. So they tell the "high stats kids" who they really want to signal "Yes I want to attend". If they are not your top choice, then you are signalling such (accurately) and they can decide to admit, WL or reject---and in that case most likely you will NOT get admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:My cousin got into Duke and Bowdoin and rejected by Elon

Insane!

Is it though?

Is it possible that there are schools that don't WANT really high stats kids? As in, they have learned from experience that the type of kid that can get into Duke and Bowdoin are not going to be happy at Elon and so it's really in everyone's interest to cut that kid loose.

I wouldn't want public schools to have that policy, but a private school like Elon should absolutely be free to have a ceiling on stats if that is what works for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.


This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them. The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?

Yup! A good example is case western. The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted. Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List. Other years it's 0. They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland". So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools. They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case. So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend. They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years). That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.]

Not everyone is financially able to apply ED.

Do you understand Case Western? If you did, you would know that Case will provide an extremely accurate FA and Merit aid package for any student interested in ED1 or ED2. They want top students who want Case. Call the AO, ask to discuss financials and you will get the details. Then you can decide if you can afford Case. If so, apply ED1/ED2. If not, then no need to apply

They give excellent merit and will let you know how much you will be getting.

We didn’t have to do any of that and kid still got accepted with $40.5k merit. It’s about having the opportunity to review all the merit and FA packages, not just understanding one school’s offer.