John Oliver slams Democrats who think transgender people lost them the election

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

This whole post is way off the mark. Democrats lost the election for "multiple reasons" -- that being said, one of the reasons is this:

A culmination of cancel culture, extremist DEI and woke culture, pronoun nonsense, social constructs not based on science.

I am disgusted by all the cancel culture, especially in regards to JK Rowling and I actually am a bigger fan of hers simply because she continues to stand her ground. Good for her! Recent Article below - I'm so proud of her.
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-politics-...omens-rights-1983654

They lost the election because people don't like this - and while too scared to voice it for fear of career damage and society cancelling - they were not scared to vote [or not vote or vote third party] accordingly and that's a big reason Trump won.

I recently went to an indie bookstore to buy the latest JK Rowling (writing as Robert Galbraith) book and was snootily told "we don't agree with her and do not carry her books." I said nothing but walked out of the store never to return. This is a woman-owned business and I was one of its first customers and bought hundreds of books from them. During the pandemic, I made cash donations so that they could pay their rent. I felt sick rather than angry that a woman I admired was so narrow minded.

Thank you for sharing and proving my point. This is one (of many) reasons Harris lost. The DNC has tied itself to this extremist cancel culture mindset. Then they turn around and blame this on "low info voters" and continue to deny deny deny. I regret voting for Harris because I am now seeing just how obtuse and "low info" the Democratic party truly is.

But you’re ok with a baker not selling a wedding cake to a gay couple? What can’t a bookstore owner decide which books she wants to seek and which authors she wants to support?

Are you implicitly acknowledging that this new wave of progressivism is a religion and deserves constitutional protection as such?

NP...oh yes....please go there. Because I for one do believe it to be an ideological "religion" and deserves constitutional protection as such. Now can we talk about separation of church and state in public schools again?

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In a sane country, Trump wouldn’t have passed 35% nationally. That’s how bad thingd actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

This whole post is way off the mark. Democrats lost the election for "multiple reasons" -- that being said, one of the reasons is this:

A culmination of cancel culture, extremist DEI and woke culture, pronoun nonsense, social constructs not based on science.

I am disgusted by all the cancel culture, especially in regards to JK Rowling and I actually am a bigger fan of hers simply because she continues to stand her ground. Good for her! Recent Article below - I'm so proud of her.
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-politics-...omens-rights-1983654

They lost the election because people don't like this - and while too scared to voice it for fear of career damage and society cancelling - they were not scared to vote [or not vote or vote third party] accordingly and that's a big reason Trump won.

I recently went to an indie bookstore to buy the latest JK Rowling (writing as Robert Galbraith) book and was snootily told "we don't agree with her and do not carry her books." I said nothing but walked out of the store never to return. This is a woman-owned business and I was one of its first customers and bought hundreds of books from them. During the pandemic, I made cash donations so that they could pay their rent. I felt sick rather than angry that a woman I admired was so narrow minded.

Thank you for sharing and proving my point. This is one (of many) reasons Harris lost. The DNC has tied itself to this extremist cancel culture mindset. Then they turn around and blame this on "low info voters" and continue to deny deny deny. I regret voting for Harris because I am now seeing just how obtuse and "low info" the Democratic party truly is.

But you’re ok with a baker not selling a wedding cake to a gay couple? What can’t a bookstore owner decide which books she wants to seek and which authors she wants to support?

The baker didn’t refuse to sell a cake. The baker refused to make a custom cake. You can’t compel performance. The couple could have bought a pre-made cake from him.

The bookstore owner can sell what she wants. The pp can refuse to shop there.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats lost.

They voted against the perception that Dems prioritize fringe issues and criticize/cancel anyone who doesn’t agree.

They voted against Democrats and the handouts given to newly arrived immigrants.

They voted against all sorts of things that Dems should have acknowledged and shifted messaging on.

We suck at messaging.

My two cents: the racial reckoning that needed to happen post-George Floyd went waaaaay too far, centering everything in racism. The end result was a new kind of cancel culture that essentially divided us instead of uniting us. And here we are: weeks away from another Trump administration.

John Oliver is just a comedian who gets paid to entertain. He’s not a brilliant political strategist. Bill Maher has been saying what Dem campaign managers and voters need to wrap their head around.

Absolutely correct.

I had more black friends and acquaintances in the late 80’s-early 2000’s than I have now. We have regressed to essentially the early twentieth century in terms of interracial friendships now. It’s so depressing.

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If you're "pointing the blame at one specific demographic" for Democrats' losses in last week's elections, you're gravely "missing the mark," according to John Oliver.

The comedian tackled Kamala Harris' defeat during the most recent episode of Last Week Tonight, calling out supposed progressives who have turned against transgender people and blamed so-called "woke" issues for Donald Trump's win.

"It's telling how quickly some are jumping to predetermined conclusions that don't match the campaign that just wrapped up," Oliver said. "For instance, some Democrats are loudly claiming that the party needs to move to the center."

The host then referenced comments from New York congressman Tom Suozzi, a Democrat, who recently argued that "the Democrats have to stop pandering to the far left ... I don't want to discriminate against anybody, but I don't think biological boys should be playing in girls' sports." Other Democratic lawmakers have made similar claims in the wake of Harris' loss.

https://www.tiktok.com/@lastweektonighthbo/video/7437190944551669035


If you watch the clip, he is very forcefully rejecting the argument Suozzi made.

And he is forcefully wrong.

Anyone with school-aged kids knows this is not a small issue. It’s pervasive. Its in the schools, its in the doctors office, its everytime I fill out a form and get 13 choices for my child’s gender. I know I’m not the only mom who switched my vote to republican this year over it.

Just as one example, there are 5th graders at my kid’s school who identify as wolves and the other kids get in trouble if they use the term “furry” rather than “therian.” Meanwhile the few black kids at the school have been called racial slurs and rarely does anyone get in trouble…the admin seems totally clueless it’s even happening. This is in a purple state, with many Trump voters.

The sad and complicated truth, from someone who has been teaching 17 years, is that Trumpism has empowered kids and adults to say the “n-word” again. It disgusts me. It’s also absolutely true that the gender issue is pervasive, and Dems look dumb when they deny it. Another example…we have a HS state champion runner who is a trans girl, who keeps winning big, even though when she ran with the boys team she didn’t even place. Is it a huge deal to me personally? No. Would I vote for Trump because of it? No way.

But it IS happening and when Dems deny that it is, they piss people off. Plain and simple.

Thank you for sharing this. I think the issue is that the people running the campaign assumed they knew what people were thinking/feeling. I did not vote for Trump but for whatever reason he and his team seem to have a much better pulse on voter sentiment and priorities. I am sure Dems polled and polled, but they also needed to be out there talking to people to gleam the nuances of what specifically are bothering people. For example, on inflation: Instead of tell people that the economy was in great shape due to Bidenomics (horrible term), acknowledge that it's a real issue and dig in by ask why and where do people feel the pain? likely their grocery bill. then follow that up with a question about what you'd want an Administration to do? Pressure the Fed to keep i-rates high, pump less $$ into the economy? go after grocery stores for price gorging, increase SNAP benefits, etc etc.

In terms of the Trans issue, the socio emotional teachings in school curriculums do not bother me, but I have seen some bad implementation due to poor teacher training and taking time away from core academic subjects. For example, I don't mind including my pronouns in written communications at all, but when speaking and introducing myself I think it wastes time and is silly.

Another poster on a different thread mentioned she is a Black woman who campaigned for the Dems and they kept wanting to send her to socio-economically disadvantaged neighborhoods. But she has multiple degrees and is an immigrate from an African nation. She also canvassed for the GOP and they sent her to speak to immigrant communities which was more aligned with her experience. Basically, the Dems just saw her as "Black" rather than a person with unique experiences. That is a huge problem.

As you say Trump and his team had a much better pulse on people's priorities and sentiments. That's because Susie Wiles, his co-campaign manager and now chief of staff, had people listen to comments on talk radio and read comments on many forms of media -- possibly even on DCUM -- that revealed what voters thought important. Polls are one aspect of guessing voter sentiments, but hearing them and reading their comments might give a better understanding for future elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - anyone with a kid in middle or high school knows that while yes, while the number of transgender students may be small it is most definitely pervasive. It’s not a small issue. It can’t be avoided by those who don’t fit the profile of being trans (which, let’s face it, is mostly white girls on the autism spectrum/have other mental health issues/quirky in some way or is a theater kid).

Why do you need to “avoid” the issue of its so small? Let people live their lives. Stop obsessing over it and you’ll stop noticing it.

I don't look at trans people any differently than anyone else. What is the big deal? All you’re being asked to do is not discriminate or bully them. Is that really too much to ask?

You’re not listening. It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

It's really not. Not even close to the level of abuse by team docs or coaches. Or even parents beating on their kids and the refs when they're out on the field. Have you even been to watch girls high school sports??

Wow. You have lost all touch with everything.

Answer the question. Do you watch girls high school sports? You would have to watch years of them to ever catch a glimpse of a trans player out there on the girls team. And probably a few more years to catch a glimpse of a trans player on the girls team without any talent at all.

Seriously quit your whining and spend your time on something that's a real problem.

Dp. I’ve been to a handful of high school sporting events in my life and I’ve seen a trans player on a girls team.

I don’t know that many people, but I know multiple people with trans kids.

I go to sign my kid up for a pre-college event, and I’m offered 13 genders to choose from for him on the form. I wish I were exaggerating.

It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

Well, I've probably watched thousands of hours of girls high school sports. It is not pervasive. I promise you.

Go to the college and post college level where money is involved and get back to us.

watched plenty of college women's sports. It is not a thing.

It is for you so post away. But know that the tremendous majority of women playing sports in college are focused on the difficult balance of managing academics and playing college sports. The issue of trans athletes is not discussed among the athletes or the parents...ever. There are a hundred other topics more pressing.

Yup. These college athletes don't care about this issue; they have better things to do.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42393427/volleyball-players-sue-mountain-west-san-jose-state-player

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - anyone with a kid in middle or high school knows that while yes, while the number of transgender students may be small it is most definitely pervasive. It’s not a small issue. It can’t be avoided by those who don’t fit the profile of being trans (which, let’s face it, is mostly white girls on the autism spectrum/have other mental health issues/quirky in some way or is a theater kid).

Why do you need to “avoid” the issue of its so small? Let people live their lives. Stop obsessing over it and you’ll stop noticing it.

I don't look at trans people any differently than anyone else. What is the big deal? All you’re being asked to do is not discriminate or bully them. Is that really too much to ask?

You’re not listening. It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

It's really not. Not even close to the level of abuse by team docs or coaches. Or even parents beating on their kids and the refs when they're out on the field. Have you even been to watch girls high school sports??

Wow. You have lost all touch with everything.

Answer the question. Do you watch girls high school sports? You would have to watch years of them to ever catch a glimpse of a trans player out there on the girls team. And probably a few more years to catch a glimpse of a trans player on the girls team without any talent at all.

Seriously quit your whining and spend your time on something that's a real problem.

Dp. I’ve been to a handful of high school sporting events in my life and I’ve seen a trans player on a girls team.

I don’t know that many people, but I know multiple people with trans kids.

I go to sign my kid up for a pre-college event, and I’m offered 13 genders to choose from for him on the form. I wish I were exaggerating.

It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

Well, I've probably watched thousands of hours of girls high school sports. It is not pervasive. I promise you.

Go to the college and post college level where money is involved and get back to us.

watched plenty of college women's sports. It is not a thing.

It is for you so post away. But know that the tremendous majority of women playing sports in college are focused on the difficult balance of managing academics and playing college sports. The issue of trans athletes is not discussed among the athletes or the parents...ever. There are a hundred other topics more pressing.

And this experience is the same at both D1 and D3 level. Maybe all the transgender women are playng D2....not.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

The Rs studied various issues in 2019 and found that ads targeting transgender people triggered people the most, especially older women. They are pushing irrational fears and bigotry to win votes.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - anyone with a kid in middle or high school knows that while yes, while the number of transgender students may be small it is most definitely pervasive. It’s not a small issue. It can’t be avoided by those who don’t fit the profile of being trans (which, let’s face it, is mostly white girls on the autism spectrum/have other mental health issues/quirky in some way or is a theater kid).

Why do you need to “avoid” the issue of its so small? Let people live their lives. Stop obsessing over it and you’ll stop noticing it.

I don't look at trans people any differently than anyone else. What is the big deal? All you’re being asked to do is not discriminate or bully them. Is that really too much to ask?

You’re not listening. It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

It's really not. Not even close to the level of abuse by team docs or coaches. Or even parents beating on their kids and the refs when they're out on the field. Have you even been to watch girls high school sports??

Wow. You have lost all touch with everything.

Answer the question. Do you watch girls high school sports? You would have to watch years of them to ever catch a glimpse of a trans player out there on the girls team. And probably a few more years to catch a glimpse of a trans player on the girls team without any talent at all.

Seriously quit your whining and spend your time on something that's a real problem.

Dp. I’ve been to a handful of high school sporting events in my life and I’ve seen a trans player on a girls team.

I don’t know that many people, but I know multiple people with trans kids.

I go to sign my kid up for a pre-college event, and I’m offered 13 genders to choose from for him on the form. I wish I were exaggerating.

It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

Well, I've probably watched thousands of hours of girls high school sports. It is not pervasive. I promise you.

Go to the college and post college level where money is involved and get back to us.

watched plenty of college women's sports. It is not a thing.

It is for you so post away. But know that the tremendous majority of women playing sports in college are focused on the difficult balance of managing academics and playing college sports. The issue of trans athletes is not discussed among the athletes or the parents...ever. There are a hundred other topics more pressing.

It’s spawned a lawsuit on the west coast, so it may become a pressing topic. https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024/11/15/lawsuit-over-transgender-volleyball-player-san-jose-state/

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

This whole post is way off the mark. Democrats lost the election for "multiple reasons" -- that being said, one of the reasons is this:

A culmination of cancel culture, extremist DEI and woke culture, pronoun nonsense, social constructs not based on science.

I am disgusted by all the cancel culture, especially in regards to JK Rowling and I actually am a bigger fan of hers simply because she continues to stand her ground. Good for her! Recent Article below - I'm so proud of her.
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-politics-...omens-rights-1983654

They lost the election because people don't like this - and while too scared to voice it for fear of career damage and society cancelling - they were not scared to vote [or not vote or vote third party] accordingly and that's a big reason Trump won.

I recently went to an indie bookstore to buy the latest JK Rowling (writing as Robert Galbraith) book and was snootily told "we don't agree with her and do not carry her books." I said nothing but walked out of the store never to return. This is a woman-owned business and I was one of its first customers and bought hundreds of books from them. During the pandemic, I made cash donations so that they could pay their rent. I felt sick rather than angry that a woman I admired was so narrow minded.

Thank you for sharing and proving my point. This is one (of many) reasons Harris lost. The DNC has tied itself to this extremist cancel culture mindset. Then they turn around and blame this on "low info voters" and continue to deny deny deny. I regret voting for Harris because I am now seeing just how obtuse and "low info" the Democratic party truly is.

But you’re ok with a baker not selling a wedding cake to a gay couple? What can’t a bookstore owner decide which books she wants to seek and which authors she wants to support?

Because the cancel culture has gone too far. I love that JK Rowling continues to stand her ground and say "f* off"...but she has the funds to be able to do so. Many do not and live in fear of being fired or cancelled for simply having an opinion or standing up for their rights.

Sure, the bookstore owner has the right not to carry an author's books, but it's why she chooses to do so. Because the bookstore owner was brainwashed into thinking that just because someone disagrees on allowing minors to use blockers she's automatically labeled anti-trans. That is why it is wrong.

The DNC and Kamala didn’t cancel JK Rowling. You need to separate what the executive branch controls from changing culture. Kicking us all back to the 30s over it was dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

If it’s such a small portion of the country, why is my HR dept DEMANDING that I start including my pronouns on company emails and correspondence?

Because I don’t understand why I need to do that for such a small portion of the country.

I’ll take “things that didn’t happen” for $100.

But if it’s true, what’s the big deal??? Why is asking people to be respectful of everyone too much to ask????

It absolutely IS happening to me right now. A major media company based in northern Virginia is demanding that all employees- thousands of them all over the country- include their pronouns on all company email signatures.

So we want to be respectful of “everyone”? And what happened to being respectful to ME, who doesn’t want to engage in pronoun silliness?

Sounds like you’d be thrilled to sign off she/her so you can more clearly let everyone know you’re not “one of them”.

Signing off with she/her is forcing me to be "one of them" against my will. DP.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.

This whole post is way off the mark. Democrats lost the election for "multiple reasons" -- that being said, one of the reasons is this:

A culmination of cancel culture, extremist DEI and woke culture, pronoun nonsense, social constructs not based on science.

I am disgusted by all the cancel culture, especially in regards to JK Rowling and I actually am a bigger fan of hers simply because she continues to stand her ground. Good for her! Recent Article below - I'm so proud of her.
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-politics-...omens-rights-1983654

They lost the election because people don't like this - and while too scared to voice it for fear of career damage and society cancelling - they were not scared to vote [or not vote or vote third party] accordingly and that's a big reason Trump won.

I recently went to an indie bookstore to buy the latest JK Rowling (writing as Robert Galbraith) book and was snootily told "we don't agree with her and do not carry her books." I said nothing but walked out of the store never to return. This is a woman-owned business and I was one of its first customers and bought hundreds of books from them. During the pandemic, I made cash donations so that they could pay their rent. I felt sick rather than angry that a woman I admired was so narrow minded.

Thank you for sharing and proving my point. This is one (of many) reasons Harris lost. The DNC has tied itself to this extremist cancel culture mindset. Then they turn around and blame this on "low info voters" and continue to deny deny deny. I regret voting for Harris because I am now seeing just how obtuse and "low info" the Democratic party truly is.

But you’re ok with a baker not selling a wedding cake to a gay couple? What can’t a bookstore owner decide which books she wants to seek and which authors she wants to support?

Are you implicitly acknowledging that this new wave of progressivism is a religion and deserves constitutional protection as such?

NP...oh yes....please go there. Because I for one do believe it to be an ideological "religion" and deserves constitutional protection as such. Now can we talk about separation of church and state in public schools again?

And what happens when the progressives on BlueSky tell you what to believe the following week? Do they even agree amongst themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats lost.

They voted against the perception that Dems prioritize fringe issues and criticize/cancel anyone who doesn’t agree.

They voted against Democrats and the handouts given to newly arrived immigrants.

They voted against all sorts of things that Dems should have acknowledged and shifted messaging on.

We suck at messaging.

My two cents: the racial reckoning that needed to happen post-George Floyd went waaaaay too far, centering everything in racism. The end result was a new kind of cancel culture that essentially divided us instead of uniting us. And here we are: weeks away from another Trump administration.

John Oliver is just a comedian who gets paid to entertain. He’s not a brilliant political strategist. Bill Maher has been saying what Dem campaign managers and voters need to wrap their head around.

Absolutely correct.

I had more black friends and acquaintances in the late 80’s-early 2000’s than I have now. We have regressed to essentially the early twentieth century in terms of interracial friendships now. It’s so depressing.

This +100. We are a more racist country now than we were in the late 80’s-early 2000’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - anyone with a kid in middle or high school knows that while yes, while the number of transgender students may be small it is most definitely pervasive. It’s not a small issue. It can’t be avoided by those who don’t fit the profile of being trans (which, let’s face it, is mostly white girls on the autism spectrum/have other mental health issues/quirky in some way or is a theater kid).

Why do you need to “avoid” the issue of its so small? Let people live their lives. Stop obsessing over it and you’ll stop noticing it.

I don't look at trans people any differently than anyone else. What is the big deal? All you’re being asked to do is not discriminate or bully them. Is that really too much to ask?

You’re not listening. It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

It's really not. Not even close to the level of abuse by team docs or coaches. Or even parents beating on their kids and the refs when they're out on the field. Have you even been to watch girls high school sports??

Wow. You have lost all touch with everything.

Answer the question. Do you watch girls high school sports? You would have to watch years of them to ever catch a glimpse of a trans player out there on the girls team. And probably a few more years to catch a glimpse of a trans player on the girls team without any talent at all.

Seriously quit your whining and spend your time on something that's a real problem.

Dp. I’ve been to a handful of high school sporting events in my life and I’ve seen a trans player on a girls team.

I don’t know that many people, but I know multiple people with trans kids.

I go to sign my kid up for a pre-college event, and I’m offered 13 genders to choose from for him on the form. I wish I were exaggerating.

It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.

Well, I've probably watched thousands of hours of girls high school sports. It is not pervasive. I promise you.

Go to the college and post college level where money is involved and get back to us.

watched plenty of college women's sports. It is not a thing.

It is for you so post away. But know that the tremendous majority of women playing sports in college are focused on the difficult balance of managing academics and playing college sports. The issue of trans athletes is not discussed among the athletes or the parents...ever. There are a hundred other topics more pressing.

It’s spawned a lawsuit on the west coast, so it may become a pressing topic. https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024/11/15/lawsuit-over-transgender-volleyball-player-san-jose-state/

Doubt it. But it clearly interests you.

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump supporters started demanding that everyone agree that “elves are real,” holding “elf lives matter” rallies, and that they put “Elves are real” in their email signatures, and if they then tried to demonize and ostracize anyone who didn’t go along with that, do you see how that could be really off-putting to most people?

And for people who are cattle-like here followers and went along with that and put signs in their front yards saying “in this house we believe in Elven rights”, don’t you think those people would then be receptive to whatever else insane thing the government wanted to do?

Do I really need to explain the joke to you? Are you going to force me to explain the whole “Elven rights” meme?

FFS, really???