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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

Tough luck honey. I fly internationally all the time. Most people recline. Airlines are not removing the reclining ability. Which tells you something. Not your anecdotal "make up a claim and pretend everyone agrees with me."

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone reclines. Why do you say 90% don’t recline???

I fly internationally all the time. Most people are reclining. No idea where OP is coming from.

I was once on a 14 hour flight to Dubai and the person in front of me reclined immediately. So I reclined. The man behind me started kicking and making a fuss and dragged over a poor attendant to complain. The attendant did politely say to me: the gentleman behind you is not happy that you reclined" in a very non committal voice. I smiled politely and pointed to the seat in front of me that was fully reclined. She smiled and nodded and later gave me a freebie treat as an apology.

Yup. I posted some excerpts from the CNN article from a FA - specifically said the person complaining about the reclined seat will be the one getting in trouble or taken off after. Someone reclining their seat is doing nothing wrong. Someone threatening violence over it definitely is.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

I'm 100000% ok with someone else thinking I'm less considerate. We can agree to disagree. Luckily I cannot read your mind and don't care one bit what you think.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

The anti-recliners really have some sort of superiority complex about this You aren't a better person because you sit upright for a flight.

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

Because it makes the problem which is the topic of this thread go away in the vast majority of circumstances.

And we ask permission for things that are "our right" all the time. Don't you ever say "excuse me" when going through a crowd?

Anyone ever say "No, find another path".

No?

Interesting.....

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

I'm 100000% ok with someone else thinking I'm less considerate. We can agree to disagree. Luckily I cannot read your mind and don't care one bit what you think.

Then there is really no issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

The anti-recliners really have some sort of superiority complex about this You aren't a better person because you sit upright for a flight.

No. You're only the superior person if you wear your mask . . . .

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

The anti-recliners really have some sort of superiority complex about this You aren't a better person because you sit upright for a flight.

I picture the person behind me, pursing their lips and fulminating internally. Meanwhile I am comfortable, not a care in the world. You do you, Upright Citizen Brigade!

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

Because it makes the problem which is the topic of this thread go away in the vast majority of circumstances.

And we ask permission for things that are "our right" all the time. Don't you ever say "excuse me" when going through a crowd?

Anyone ever say "No, find another path".

No?

Interesting.....

Saying excuse me isn’t asking permission. It’s a polite way of saying “you’re in my way.”

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

NP If someone is mad in their head, they are not doing/saying anything that affects you at all. Wanting without doing has zero effect on other people. The person reclining is acting for their own comfort at the expense of someone else's. You have to realize you prioritizing your comfort makes you a little less of a considerate person. Be ok with that.

The anti-recliners really have some sort of superiority complex about this You aren't a better person because you sit upright for a flight.

I picture the person behind me, pursing their lips and fulminating internally. Meanwhile I am comfortable, not a care in the world. You do you, Upright Citizen Brigade!

Realistically, only the people in the very last row should be the ones complaining - the seats that dont recline at all. If everyone else reclines, they are the only ones affected. Why is everyone else complaining?

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

Because it makes the problem which is the topic of this thread go away in the vast majority of circumstances.

And we ask permission for things that are "our right" all the time. Don't you ever say "excuse me" when going through a crowd?

Anyone ever say "No, find another path".

No?

Interesting.....

Saying excuse me isn’t asking permission. It’s a polite way of saying “you’re in my way.”

AND NOW YOU FINALLY GET IT!