Plane etiquette

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how aggressive the daytime recliners are here. As the studies have shown, it's only a small percentage of travelers that will recline in coach on a daytime flight. Most people all understand that we're temporarily sharing a small space together and are mindful of each other's well-being. But the daytime recliners - as we can see here - are genuinely belligerent, anti-social, have no empathy, and are basic a%%holes. And revel in it. Would be interesting to see if there are any academic studies about their various pathologies. Lack of empathy and enjoying other people's anger are usually a sign of serious behavioral issues.

See, if find the anti recliners just as belligerent.

And I don’t recline or take overnight flights.

How can someone be belligerent if not saying or doing anything? That makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how aggressive the daytime recliners are here. As the studies have shown, it's only a small percentage of travelers that will recline in coach on a daytime flight. Most people all understand that we're temporarily sharing a small space together and are mindful of each other's well-being. But the daytime recliners - as we can see here - are genuinely belligerent, anti-social, have no empathy, and are basic a%%holes. And revel in it. Would be interesting to see if there are any academic studies about their various pathologies. Lack of empathy and enjoying other people's anger are usually a sign of serious behavioral issues.

See, if find the anti recliners just as belligerent.

And I don’t recline or take overnight flights.

How can someone be belligerent if not saying or doing anything? That makes no sense.

I think PP meant anti-recliners as in “people who think others shouldn’t recline” not as in “people who don’t recline.”

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Here are my observations from recent flights. Almost everyone reclines their seats on international red eye flights and no one cares. Most people recline their seats on international daytime flights and no one cares. Some people recline their seats a tiny bit on domestic flights and most people don’t care, because those seats are back killers and everyone knows that a few inches can make a huge difference to your comfort. A even fewer amount of people ram their seats fully back on domestic flights during terrible times, like food service, and people get really pissed off. Rightly so in my opinion. If you’re a domestic recliner, you have every right to recline your seat, but just do it respectfully. Don’t wait until the person behind you has a hot cup of coffee on their tray table and then slam your seat into their lap.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how aggressive the daytime recliners are here. As the studies have shown, it's only a small percentage of travelers that will recline in coach on a daytime flight. Most people all understand that we're temporarily sharing a small space together and are mindful of each other's well-being. But the daytime recliners - as we can see here - are genuinely belligerent, anti-social, have no empathy, and are basic a%%holes. And revel in it. Would be interesting to see if there are any academic studies about their various pathologies. Lack of empathy and enjoying other people's anger are usually a sign of serious behavioral issues.

See, if find the anti recliners just as belligerent.

And I don’t recline or take overnight flights.

How can someone be belligerent if not saying or doing anything? That makes no sense.

I think PP meant anti-recliners as in “people who think others shouldn’t recline” not as in “people who don’t recline.”

My statement still stands then. Having an opinion is not belligerent, unless you act out based on that opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are my observations from recent flights. Almost everyone reclines their seats on international red eye flights and no one cares. Most people recline their seats on international daytime flights and no one cares. Some people recline their seats a tiny bit on domestic flights and most people don’t care, because those seats are back killers and everyone knows that a few inches can make a huge difference to your comfort. A even fewer amount of people ram their seats fully back on domestic flights during terrible times, like food service, and people get really pissed off. Rightly so in my opinion. If you’re a domestic recliner, you have every right to recline your seat, but just do it respectfully. Don’t wait until the person behind you has a hot cup of coffee on their tray table and then slam your seat into their lap.

Just flew back from Paris and I'd say it was half and half on reclining, definitely not most. But the "no one cares" part is really debatable. We have no idea whether people care! Thankfully nobody is starting fights over it though which is really what matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are my observations from recent flights. Almost everyone reclines their seats on international red eye flights and no one cares. Most people recline their seats on international daytime flights and no one cares. Some people recline their seats a tiny bit on domestic flights and most people don’t care, because those seats are back killers and everyone knows that a few inches can make a huge difference to your comfort. A even fewer amount of people ram their seats fully back on domestic flights during terrible times, like food service, and people get really pissed off. Rightly so in my opinion. If you’re a domestic recliner, you have every right to recline your seat, but just do it respectfully. Don’t wait until the person behind you has a hot cup of coffee on their tray table and then slam your seat into their lap.

Just flew back from Paris and I'd say it was half and half on reclining, definitely not most. But the "no one cares" part is really debatable. We have no idea whether people care! Thankfully nobody is starting fights over it though which is really what matters.

Do you notice most of the plane?

Overnight flights definitely has most people reclining to some degree. Either way, reclining is your right.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how aggressive the daytime recliners are here. As the studies have shown, it's only a small percentage of travelers that will recline in coach on a daytime flight. Most people all understand that we're temporarily sharing a small space together and are mindful of each other's well-being. But the daytime recliners - as we can see here - are genuinely belligerent, anti-social, have no empathy, and are basic a%%holes. And revel in it. Would be interesting to see if there are any academic studies about their various pathologies. Lack of empathy and enjoying other people's anger are usually a sign of serious behavioral issues.

See, if find the anti recliners just as belligerent.

And I don’t recline or take overnight flights.

How can someone be belligerent if not saying or doing anything? That makes no sense.

I think PP meant anti-recliners as in “people who think others shouldn’t recline” not as in “people who don’t recline.”

My statement still stands then. Having an opinion is not belligerent, unless you act out based on that opinion.

The Oxford definition is "hostile and aggressive." There are plenty of people on this thread opposed to people reclining, who could be described as "hostile and aggressive." Just look that the ones saying they grab and bump and kick and jostle intentionally every time the person in front of them reclines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are my observations from recent flights. Almost everyone reclines their seats on international red eye flights and no one cares. Most people recline their seats on international daytime flights and no one cares. Some people recline their seats a tiny bit on domestic flights and most people don’t care, because those seats are back killers and everyone knows that a few inches can make a huge difference to your comfort. A even fewer amount of people ram their seats fully back on domestic flights during terrible times, like food service, and people get really pissed off. Rightly so in my opinion. If you’re a domestic recliner, you have every right to recline your seat, but just do it respectfully. Don’t wait until the person behind you has a hot cup of coffee on their tray table and then slam your seat into their lap.

Just flew back from Paris and I'd say it was half and half on reclining, definitely not most. But the "no one cares" part is really debatable. We have no idea whether people care! Thankfully nobody is starting fights over it though which is really what matters.

Do you notice most of the plane?

Overnight flights definitely has most people reclining to some degree. Either way, reclining is your right.

I sadly did because I had a pretty crappy seat in the back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I paid for my ticket. If the airline gives me the option to recline I'll use it. Take it up with the airline if you don't like it. It's just using a feature you paid for. Dela with it.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should, particularly when it infringes on others' space. But hey, there will always be the "my comfort above everyone else's comfort" people. You be you.

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Anonymous wrote:I paid for my ticket. If the airline gives me the option to recline I'll use it. Take it up with the airline if you don't like it. It's just using a feature you paid for. Dela with it.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should, particularly when it infringes on others' space. But hey, there will always be the "my comfort above everyone else's comfort" people. You be you.

Look, reclining is an airline-sanctioned activity. I would never listen to music with no headphones or paint my nails on a plane, because the flight attendants would come down on me like a ton of bricks. These are not allowed. But reclining is allowed, so I will exercise my right to do it, when allowed. I will put my seat back up for meals, as is expected by flight attendants.

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

Really? Because this entire thread suggests otherwise.

I am anti-reclining, and there is no way that people should ask permission. It changes the dispute from just a matter of etiquette to "you asked, I said no, and you're doing it anyway?" Asking for trouble.

Exactly. This is just going to start fist fights on planes

[Anonymous]

We need to take airlines to task on this matter.

[Anonymous]

If someone in front of your reclines, then you recline, and so on..,

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Anonymous wrote:If someone in front of your reclines, then you recline, and so on..,

Fatzo in first row causing chain reaction of angry people stuck on a plane!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to take airlines to task on this matter.

Airlines know most people want to recline, which is why we are able to recline. It's that simple. There is *no* movement by the airlines to remove reclining seats, at least on the major airlines. Recliners are absolutely, unquestionably, in the majority and no amount of denial on here is changing this reality.