Plane etiquette

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Anonymous wrote:This is just more proof that Millenials are the whiniest generation.

You know this site leans heavily older than millennials right

But they whine the most.

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

Because it makes the problem which is the topic of this thread go away in the vast majority of circumstances.

And we ask permission for things that are "our right" all the time. Don't you ever say "excuse me" when going through a crowd?

Anyone ever say "No, find another path".

No?

Interesting.....

Saying excuse me isn’t asking permission. It’s a polite way of saying “you’re in my way.”

AND NOW YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So if I turn around and say “I’ll be reclining my seat now” while smiling sweetly, that’s fine?

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading 8 pages of this, but let me ask the obvious question:

Did anyone think of asking the person behind you before you recline?

"Asking - The Alternative to Accidentally Being An A**hole."™

Should I also ask before I order a drink? Undo my seatbelt? Grab my luggage? What else would you like to try and control about other people?

Nobody said anything about control, you delicate snowflake.

It's about common courtesy and being sentient of the needs of people around you.

But you just keep hitting that elevator "door close" button as fast as you can. Hitting it more times makes it close faster.

You want someone to ask for your blessing before they do something that requires 0% permission from you. That is you, trying to control what other people do.

No. I am suggesting that this entire issue can be closed if people were just considerate and asked if it was OK. My instinct says that nearly everyone would say "sure" and then this wouldn't be a problem, would it? Simple solution.

I'm guessing the person b****ing about recliners and not being provided a 3 page document outlining their intentions to recline is far more a "snowflake" than a person who.. reclines in a reclining chair.

No, you are the bigger snowflake, because you turned a simple suggestion of demonstrated courtesy into a hyperbolic crisis of your fundamental rights being taken away. It ain't all about you pal, we're all on the same flight. Try to be one of the nice ones. Is that so hard?

And all the rabid anti-recliners who say no? What then? Why am I asking for permission (which yes, is what you are suggesting) for something that the seat literally does? No one asks permission to use the seat back entertainment, even if it annoys the person in front.

No one will say no. And if they DO, then you would have had a problem when you reclined without asking. Most people are nice and considerate. You should join us.

Your assertation that because someone reclines they are not "nice" is just simply incorrect.

That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension .

I'm not talking about a fundamental right being taken away - because it's not being taken away. Its there. It's a button the side of the arm rest. If it's there, and works, its able to be used. But it does sound like you are trying to take that away from people, since that is literally the words you used.

I repeat: That wasn't my assertion at all. Please don't misquote me and force me to question your sincerity or comprehension.

I simply said the problem being discussed in this thread would disappear if people simply courteously asked the person behind them. Most would say sure. Then the person can recline, relax, and not worry about it. Why is this so hard for you?

Fly budget airlines that don't recline, or buy a bulkhead seat if you dont want people reclining in front of you. Leave the rest of us alone

No I fly a lot so I am usually in business class, but we have a-holes up there sometimes too. But usually not, because most people are nice and considerate, will switch seats, will let someone else have the last chicken, and move aside so you can get to the rest room... it's a wonderful way to travel.

Try it.

You're delulu if you think 100% of people will say yes. Clearly this thread proves - that is a lie. But, if 100% of people are fine with it, why do we have to ask? Everyones fine with it!

You are making that assertation. You are saying by reclining, we are not nice. To join you in "nice", we should not recline. I reject this premise, since I don't think reclining is unkind or rude, it has no effect on ones "niceness" .

I'm quite happy with how I travel as is, no need to try anything new. I'll keep on reclining my reclining seats and you enjoy that chicken.

Jeebus H. Christmas can no one read? I'll try caps and see if it gets through.

I NEVER SAID RECLINING WASN'T NICE. I SAID THE PROBLEM OF WHETHER OR NOT RECLINING IS OK CAN BE ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SPEAKING TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU.

THE THINGS IN BOLD YOU CLAIM ABOVE ARE UNTRUE EVEN THOUGH I POINTED IT OUT ALREADY ONCE.

Is that clear enough?

Yes this is a very normal rational post for sure. And you want to call someone else a snowflake? Lo-f***ing-L

What about my reply is snow-flakey? I was trying to communicate with someone who either could not or chose to to comprehend.

Thanks for confirming that you DO understand my point now, I appreciate it.

Yes, you think we all need to ask permission to do something you think is rude, and that everyone will say its fine and we will all hug and rainbows will form around us and everyone will stand and applaud

Jeebus you really can't read. I'll just keep repeating if you keep getting it wrong.

I. Don't. Think. Reclining. Is. Rude.

The problem which is the topic of this thread ceases to be one in most cases if you simply speak to you neighbor. If you can't understand the distinction there, I guess I will stop playing chess with a pigeon.

And yes, I do think most people will say "fine", in fact I think most would say "sure it's your seat". Because most people are nice.

MOST people.

So why are we asking if everyone is going to say "fine"? If it's not a rude thing to do, why do we need to ask permission? Why is that what makes something proper and kind IYO vs living our lives and not asking your permission for basic stuff? I think that's the disconnect here.

Because it makes the problem which is the topic of this thread go away in the vast majority of circumstances.

And we ask permission for things that are "our right" all the time. Don't you ever say "excuse me" when going through a crowd?

Anyone ever say "No, find another path".

No?

Interesting.....

I do say excuse me as I move through a crowd. Because I'm basically asking other people to move so I can get through.

If I'm reclining I'm not asking them to do anything. I'm adjusting my chair.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

Millenials are entitled to it since they don't get participation awards anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

You should get help for your anxiety. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

You should get help for your anxiety. Seriously.

And now the madman is projecting haha

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

So you decide to be uncomfortable and then want to control everyone else to make them uncomfortable as well. Nice.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

So you decide to be uncomfortable and then want to control everyone else to make them uncomfortable as well. Nice.

NP. The airlines are the ones making us all uncomfortable ( not complaining, as low prices are the result), but you are the one making others more uncomfortable due to the action you're taking.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

So you decide to be uncomfortable and then want to control everyone else to make them uncomfortable as well. Nice.

NP. The airlines are the ones making us all uncomfortable ( not complaining, as low prices are the result), but you are the one making others more uncomfortable due to the action you're taking.

You are missing this very important element: the airline *gives you seats that recline* and the airline 100% sides with your right to recline. The FAs will not ask you to sit up if the passenger behind you complains. People who claim they will are lying through their teeth. So whose problem is it? You have the right to recline, your seat reclines, many people around you are reclining, and yet you're worried? Heck, the person behind you may even be reclining!

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish the seats were just permanently reclined. It's painful how upright the seats are. They only get marginally comfortable after you recline. I don't care at all about the person behind me. Sit in the front row if you don't want someone reclining in front of you.

That really says it all.

I mean, do you really care about the person in front of you? Do you care about anyone on the plane whom you don't know? Be honest, now.

This is so weird.

Not weird. You're asking people to prioritize strangers' comfort over their own. Most people are not going to do that.

Except most people find it inconsiderate and consequently don't recline.

Do you have a citation to back up this assertion?

I fly quite frequently and don't think I've ever seen a majority of people reclining their seats in coach.

I think someone posted a survey earlier in the thread.

If you want to recline, it's not a big deal. But let's be honest about the person likely not being ok with what you're doing. You are putting your comfort ahead of someone else's.

But you are mad that I am doing so, which means that you want YOUR comfort prioritized. So how are you any better?

That's a wild and kind of manipulative take on things lol

If I wanted to prioritize my comfort, I would recline my seat. But I don't because I know it will likely piss off of the person behind me.

So you decide to be uncomfortable and then want to control everyone else to make them uncomfortable as well. Nice.

NP. The airlines are the ones making us all uncomfortable ( not complaining, as low prices are the result), but you are the one making others more uncomfortable due to the action you're taking.

You are missing this very important element: the airline *gives you seats that recline* and the airline 100% sides with your right to recline. The FAs will not ask you to sit up if the passenger behind you complains. People who claim they will are lying through their teeth. So whose problem is it? You have the right to recline, your seat reclines, many people around you are reclining, and yet you're worried? Heck, the person behind you may even be reclining!

Nobody is worried.
You should be just fine.
Gone are the days that you can punch someone for being a butthole.

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It's interesting how aggressive the daytime recliners are here. As the studies have shown, it's only a small percentage of travelers that will recline in coach on a daytime flight. Most people all understand that we're temporarily sharing a small space together and are mindful of each other's well-being. But the daytime recliners - as we can see here - are genuinely belligerent, anti-social, have no empathy, and are basic a%%holes. And revel in it. Would be interesting to see if there are any academic studies about their various pathologies. Lack of empathy and enjoying other people's anger are usually a sign of serious behavioral issues.

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I fly a significant amount of time mostly in FC. I don’t work and have been blessed with a beautiful family that live in all different places. I know I am very fortunate. I have lived enough years to know everyone is dealing with something. I am in a position to give grace to those around me. In the unusual instance where I would recline I ask the person behind me if they would mind. If a parent is traveling with a small child (I’ve been there) I would help in any way I could. I recently sat next to a very nervous flyer and engaged them in conversation to the point where they weren’t phased when they finally realized we were at cruising altitude. I have bought drinks for young honeymooners.
It’s fun and why not. I might not have the pressure in my life like most do but we all have grace and it will feed your soul if you give some away.

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I have herniated discs. I'm reclining.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do some people still recline even though 90% of people do not recline? And do you find it annoying when someone just stands in the aisle, crotch/butt at face level for a long time? A woman did this my last flight and it was so uncomfortable.

OP, they may be older and not fly much. Things have changed a lot with flights in the last 30, 40 years