where is KSAC/RMSC going?

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

You realize there was a poster up thread that told people to name a club that swam outside in the winters, apparently confident that such a thing couldn’t possibly be true, right?

Unfortunately for that poster clubs do swim outside. We aren’t trying to push some propaganda on here, we are just stating it’s very common.

Those clubs have nothing to do with RMSC. It's not comparable.

There is more demand for pool time than there is pool space. RMSC seldom has this problem because county rec gives them lane space. When the KSAC closes they will not have the lane space to accommodate all of their previous lane time at indoor pools. So like other clubs, they now have more demand than pool time and will likely swim outdoors. If you repeat that silver spring is convenient for you though maybe they’ll move all your kids practices there

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These comments remind of one of the great quotes from Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"....

Since the RMSC coaching is so bad, all the current families can do is keep paying thousands of dollars every year to keep their kids there and there are over 100 kids trying out for a hand full of slots each summer.

What a topsy-turvy, madcap world we live in!

Yea you, not all of us can afford private teams, especially if kids are in multiple sports or activities. No, you aren’t getting the sports. Earn them like our kids did.

Last I checked, it costs thousands of dollars a year for kids to swim club anywhere, RMSC included, so I'm not buying the "poor house", "can't afford" refrain. And if they end up at Silver Spring, tack another $1k/yr to your burn rate for inconvenient parking.... Nobody is doing all that for "horrible coaching", so I'm calling that a lot of bunk.

I have heard that they may have to go with smaller numbers with their groups depending on where they end up for practice sites and how many swimmers these sites can accommodate so there may even be fewer slots, if any, available during tryouts for next year.

Np. I heard JCC is in consideration?

Who’s going to pay for that?

There has been no update since we were told JCC was under consideration. But, I do know the rental fee at the JCC is very expensive, so my guess is it is an unlikely option.

I believe multiple sites are still in play and the likely outcome will be the use of several facilities, as well as smaller groups.

I think you are correct but it would be nice if they’d let us know. They’ve had several years to plan for this. They will probably move some of it to the outdoor pools but they already have summer swim teams and lessons so that may not work until July or August.

So the advanced groups and senior groups at KSAC (or the MAC for those who know) practice at Bethesda Outdoor Pool for most of their summer practices. The non-advanced junior groups and minis do not practice in the summer, so they won't be impacted until the fall session.

You are right, they had years to plan and the change is 3 months away and there is still no plan. This shows the local government bureaucracy at work. Private clubs are able to act aggressively and expand their pool space but the county moves at a glacial pace. Hopefully they can find a plan that works for most families because the coaches at KSAC have built up the site to be the best in the area and would hate to see it crumble. I think a combination of Wheaton-Glenmont and Old Farm Swim and Paddle Tennis would be the options that would keep the most swimmers registered.

I agree with this 100% and hope that any use of Silver Spring for practice is kept the an absolute minimum.

That only works for summer, spring and fall. Too cold in the winter as they are both fully outside.

Private clubs are practicing outside in winter

This isn’t a private club and it’s too cold in the winter months. They have a brand new pool that was promised to families.

Technically, it is a private club and the club did not promise Silver Spring

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

You realize there was a poster up thread that told people to name a club that swam outside in the winters, apparently confident that such a thing couldn’t possibly be true, right?

Unfortunately for that poster clubs do swim outside. We aren’t trying to push some propaganda on here, we are just stating it’s very common.

Those clubs have nothing to do with RMSC. It's not comparable.

Sure those clubs are different in that they are unaffiliated with the county, but RMSC is all about supply and demand. They have 100 swimmers trying out for 10 spots at most sites, they are not sweating what works best for your specific family. They are trying to keep their coaches and top level swimmers happy. Nameless faceless BB swimmer Susie means nothing to them. There are 90 more just like her that want to join the club.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

Those goalposts are moving fast.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

Those goalposts are moving fast.

Finding a pool solution for the KSAC group is moving goalposts?

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Silver Spring doesn't work for us at all(North Potomac) so I too hope it's not used - Old Farm, JCC, Gaithersburg, Mont. College and even Glenmont are much better and if I hazard to guess, would be much better for the majority of the KSAC families.

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Another Ksac person here, I’m totally flexible and don’t need a site in north Bethesda, but silver spring, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Bethesda, Potomac, Germantown, and Boyds are non starters for us

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Silver Spring doesn't work for us at all(North Potomac) so I too hope it's not used - Old Farm, JCC, Gaithersburg, Mont. College and even Glenmont are much better and if I hazard to guess, would be much better for the majority of the KSAC families.

And, a lot of those places don’t work for families downcounty. Not everyone lives in Rockville or Gaithersburg.

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Anonymous wrote:Another Ksac person here, I’m totally flexible and don’t need a site in north Bethesda, but silver spring, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Bethesda, Potomac, Germantown, and Boyds are non starters for us

So it's "Glenmont or bust"...?

If they get it heated, it might actually be the best option from an all factors considered perspective.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

Those goalposts are moving fast.

Finding a pool solution for the KSAC group is moving goalposts?

Someone said that an outdoor pool was a potential solution. Then a poster said that wasn’t possible in the winter because it’s too cold. The PP then said that wasn’t true. Then the PP was challenged to name any program that uses an outdoor pool in the in the winter. PP named 4. Then you said that was irrelevant because other RMSC groups don’t swim outside. So yes, that’s moving goalposts.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Silver Spring doesn't work for us at all(North Potomac) so I too hope it's not used - Old Farm, JCC, Gaithersburg, Mont. College and even Glenmont are much better and if I hazard to guess, would be much better for the majority of the KSAC families.

And, a lot of those places don’t work for families downcounty. Not everyone lives in Rockville or Gaithersburg.

I would say that most KSAC swimmers like in Bethesda, Rockville, Potomac, or Kensington. Off the top of my head in the top 3 groups at KSAC I can name 1 kid who lives down county out of 90.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Silver Spring doesn't work for us at all(North Potomac) so I too hope it's not used - Old Farm, JCC, Gaithersburg, Mont. College and even Glenmont are much better and if I hazard to guess, would be much better for the majority of the KSAC families.

And, a lot of those places don’t work for families downcounty. Not everyone lives in Rockville or Gaithersburg.

I would say that most KSAC swimmers like in Bethesda, Rockville, Potomac, or Kensington. Off the top of my head in the top 3 groups at KSAC I can name 1 kid who lives down county out of 90.

Not only that, but the coaches as well. Silver Spring is worse for the one's I know.

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Anonymous wrote:Another Ksac person here, I’m totally flexible and don’t need a site in north Bethesda, but silver spring, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Bethesda, Potomac, Germantown, and Boyds are non starters for us

So it's "Glenmont or bust"...?

If they get it heated, it might actually be the best option from an all factors considered perspective.

Pretty sure this was sarcasm

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Silver Spring doesn't work for us at all(North Potomac) so I too hope it's not used - Old Farm, JCC, Gaithersburg, Mont. College and even Glenmont are much better and if I hazard to guess, would be much better for the majority of the KSAC families.

And, a lot of those places don’t work for families downcounty. Not everyone lives in Rockville or Gaithersburg.

I would say that most KSAC swimmers like in Bethesda, Rockville, Potomac, or Kensington. Off the top of my head in the top 3 groups at KSAC I can name 1 kid who lives down county out of 90.

Agreed, our group (minus 1) is all Rockville/NB/Potomac. And that one (maybe the same as yours) switched sites to us by choice.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

Those goalposts are moving fast.

Finding a pool solution for the KSAC group is moving goalposts?

Someone said that an outdoor pool was a potential solution. Then a poster said that wasn’t possible in the winter because it’s too cold. The PP then said that wasn’t true. Then the PP was challenged to name any program that uses an outdoor pool in the in the winter. PP named 4. Then you said that was irrelevant because other RMSC groups don’t swim outside. So yes, that’s moving goalposts.