where is KSAC/RMSC going?

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These comments remind of one of the great quotes from Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"....

Since the RMSC coaching is so bad, all the current families can do is keep paying thousands of dollars every year to keep their kids there and there are over 100 kids trying out for a hand full of slots each summer.

What a topsy-turvy, madcap world we live in!

Yea you, not all of us can afford private teams, especially if kids are in multiple sports or activities. No, you aren’t getting the sports. Earn them like our kids did.

Last I checked, it costs thousands of dollars a year for kids to swim club anywhere, RMSC included, so I'm not buying the "poor house", "can't afford" refrain. And if they end up at Silver Spring, tack another $1k/yr to your burn rate for inconvenient parking.... Nobody is doing all that for "horrible coaching", so I'm calling that a lot of bunk.

I have heard that they may have to go with smaller numbers with their groups depending on where they end up for practice sites and how many swimmers these sites can accommodate so there may even be fewer slots, if any, available during tryouts for next year.

Np. I heard JCC is in consideration?

Who’s going to pay for that?

There has been no update since we were told JCC was under consideration. But, I do know the rental fee at the JCC is very expensive, so my guess is it is an unlikely option.

I believe multiple sites are still in play and the likely outcome will be the use of several facilities, as well as smaller groups.

I think you are correct but it would be nice if they’d let us know. They’ve had several years to plan for this. They will probably move some of it to the outdoor pools but they already have summer swim teams and lessons so that may not work until July or August.

So the advanced groups and senior groups at KSAC (or the MAC for those who know) practice at Bethesda Outdoor Pool for most of their summer practices. The non-advanced junior groups and minis do not practice in the summer, so they won't be impacted until the fall session.

You are right, they had years to plan and the change is 3 months away and there is still no plan. This shows the local government bureaucracy at work. Private clubs are able to act aggressively and expand their pool space but the county moves at a glacial pace. Hopefully they can find a plan that works for most families because the coaches at KSAC have built up the site to be the best in the area and would hate to see it crumble. I think a combination of Wheaton-Glenmont and Old Farm Swim and Paddle Tennis would be the options that would keep the most swimmers registered.

I agree with this 100% and hope that any use of Silver Spring for practice is kept the an absolute minimum.

That only works for summer, spring and fall. Too cold in the winter as they are both fully outside.

I don't know about that...I think that might be a historical mindset at this point. That was certainly the sensible planning case to be made 15-20 years ago but with impacts of climate change at play and if the previous two "winters" are to be used as a guide an outside option moving forward may be a viable plan. From what I understand, part of the plan for Glenmont was to enclose the bathrooms so that would make it more feasible to use in winter.

It's a viable plan for spring and fall but not when it gets in the 20-40's. They have a brand new indoor pool. They can hire more staff to extend the hours and RMSC can pay for the coaches parking.

20's no.

40's yes.

Our winters now have more days closer to 40s and above than 20s or below. You can pull up the historical data at noaa.gov to see for yourself. Over the past 2 years, there just haven't been many days over the winter where outdoor in a heated pool wouldn't work. It would seem that this trend isn't going to be reversing in the near future(unfortunately for the planet). Worse case, they could plan for indoor for 4-6 weeks in Jan/Feb but the rest can be done outdoor. The only caveat would be for the mini's - probably want to plan for longer range indoor for them.

Swimming outdoors in 40 degree weather is miserable.

DP - speak for yourself! I love it.

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These comments remind of one of the great quotes from Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"....

Since the RMSC coaching is so bad, all the current families can do is keep paying thousands of dollars every year to keep their kids there and there are over 100 kids trying out for a hand full of slots each summer.

What a topsy-turvy, madcap world we live in!

Yea you, not all of us can afford private teams, especially if kids are in multiple sports or activities. No, you aren’t getting the sports. Earn them like our kids did.

Last I checked, it costs thousands of dollars a year for kids to swim club anywhere, RMSC included, so I'm not buying the "poor house", "can't afford" refrain. And if they end up at Silver Spring, tack another $1k/yr to your burn rate for inconvenient parking.... Nobody is doing all that for "horrible coaching", so I'm calling that a lot of bunk.

I have heard that they may have to go with smaller numbers with their groups depending on where they end up for practice sites and how many swimmers these sites can accommodate so there may even be fewer slots, if any, available during tryouts for next year.

Np. I heard JCC is in consideration?

Who’s going to pay for that?

There has been no update since we were told JCC was under consideration. But, I do know the rental fee at the JCC is very expensive, so my guess is it is an unlikely option.

I believe multiple sites are still in play and the likely outcome will be the use of several facilities, as well as smaller groups.

I think you are correct but it would be nice if they’d let us know. They’ve had several years to plan for this. They will probably move some of it to the outdoor pools but they already have summer swim teams and lessons so that may not work until July or August.

So the advanced groups and senior groups at KSAC (or the MAC for those who know) practice at Bethesda Outdoor Pool for most of their summer practices. The non-advanced junior groups and minis do not practice in the summer, so they won't be impacted until the fall session.

You are right, they had years to plan and the change is 3 months away and there is still no plan. This shows the local government bureaucracy at work. Private clubs are able to act aggressively and expand their pool space but the county moves at a glacial pace. Hopefully they can find a plan that works for most families because the coaches at KSAC have built up the site to be the best in the area and would hate to see it crumble. I think a combination of Wheaton-Glenmont and Old Farm Swim and Paddle Tennis would be the options that would keep the most swimmers registered.

I agree with this 100% and hope that any use of Silver Spring for practice is kept the an absolute minimum.

That only works for summer, spring and fall. Too cold in the winter as they are both fully outside.

I don't know about that...I think that might be a historical mindset at this point. That was certainly the sensible planning case to be made 15-20 years ago but with impacts of climate change at play and if the previous two "winters" are to be used as a guide an outside option moving forward may be a viable plan. From what I understand, part of the plan for Glenmont was to enclose the bathrooms so that would make it more feasible to use in winter.

It's a viable plan for spring and fall but not when it gets in the 20-40's. They have a brand new indoor pool. They can hire more staff to extend the hours and RMSC can pay for the coaches parking.

Most other clubs swim outside in the winter at this point. RMSC might need to buy a winter coat and toughen up

Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCAP AU
NCAP Prep
Sea Devils Swimming
Tollefson Swimming

That’s 4 in Montgomery County

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

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These comments remind of one of the great quotes from Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"....

Since the RMSC coaching is so bad, all the current families can do is keep paying thousands of dollars every year to keep their kids there and there are over 100 kids trying out for a hand full of slots each summer.

What a topsy-turvy, madcap world we live in!

Yea you, not all of us can afford private teams, especially if kids are in multiple sports or activities. No, you aren’t getting the sports. Earn them like our kids did.

Last I checked, it costs thousands of dollars a year for kids to swim club anywhere, RMSC included, so I'm not buying the "poor house", "can't afford" refrain. And if they end up at Silver Spring, tack another $1k/yr to your burn rate for inconvenient parking.... Nobody is doing all that for "horrible coaching", so I'm calling that a lot of bunk.

I have heard that they may have to go with smaller numbers with their groups depending on where they end up for practice sites and how many swimmers these sites can accommodate so there may even be fewer slots, if any, available during tryouts for next year.

Np. I heard JCC is in consideration?

Who’s going to pay for that?

There has been no update since we were told JCC was under consideration. But, I do know the rental fee at the JCC is very expensive, so my guess is it is an unlikely option.

I believe multiple sites are still in play and the likely outcome will be the use of several facilities, as well as smaller groups.

I think you are correct but it would be nice if they’d let us know. They’ve had several years to plan for this. They will probably move some of it to the outdoor pools but they already have summer swim teams and lessons so that may not work until July or August.

So the advanced groups and senior groups at KSAC (or the MAC for those who know) practice at Bethesda Outdoor Pool for most of their summer practices. The non-advanced junior groups and minis do not practice in the summer, so they won't be impacted until the fall session.

You are right, they had years to plan and the change is 3 months away and there is still no plan. This shows the local government bureaucracy at work. Private clubs are able to act aggressively and expand their pool space but the county moves at a glacial pace. Hopefully they can find a plan that works for most families because the coaches at KSAC have built up the site to be the best in the area and would hate to see it crumble. I think a combination of Wheaton-Glenmont and Old Farm Swim and Paddle Tennis would be the options that would keep the most swimmers registered.

I agree with this 100% and hope that any use of Silver Spring for practice is kept the an absolute minimum.

That only works for summer, spring and fall. Too cold in the winter as they are both fully outside.

I don't know about that...I think that might be a historical mindset at this point. That was certainly the sensible planning case to be made 15-20 years ago but with impacts of climate change at play and if the previous two "winters" are to be used as a guide an outside option moving forward may be a viable plan. From what I understand, part of the plan for Glenmont was to enclose the bathrooms so that would make it more feasible to use in winter.

It's a viable plan for spring and fall but not when it gets in the 20-40's. They have a brand new indoor pool. They can hire more staff to extend the hours and RMSC can pay for the coaches parking.

Most other clubs swim outside in the winter at this point. RMSC might need to buy a winter coat and toughen up

Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

Tollefson and JFD have swam outside in the winter. Many others have also.

Yea for them. RMSC doesn't and there is a brand new pool available. Most of our kids have parka's but that's not healthy to be out like that for 90 minutes or longer.

Silver Spring is not available to absorb all of the KSAC groups year round for all of the 2+ years that would be needed, that's the issue. If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Also, if you project these negative and fragile sensibilities on your child like you are doing here, you are not doing them any favors and are not going to help them mentally adapt to this transition and their new reality moving forward.

The glass if half-full and these are very first world struggles.

Of course they could make the pool work.

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The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Promise made by whom?

Congrats that Silver Spring works best for you. There's a ton of people where it is not the best option.

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These comments remind of one of the great quotes from Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"....

Since the RMSC coaching is so bad, all the current families can do is keep paying thousands of dollars every year to keep their kids there and there are over 100 kids trying out for a hand full of slots each summer.

What a topsy-turvy, madcap world we live in!

Yea you, not all of us can afford private teams, especially if kids are in multiple sports or activities. No, you aren’t getting the sports. Earn them like our kids did.

Last I checked, it costs thousands of dollars a year for kids to swim club anywhere, RMSC included, so I'm not buying the "poor house", "can't afford" refrain. And if they end up at Silver Spring, tack another $1k/yr to your burn rate for inconvenient parking.... Nobody is doing all that for "horrible coaching", so I'm calling that a lot of bunk.

I have heard that they may have to go with smaller numbers with their groups depending on where they end up for practice sites and how many swimmers these sites can accommodate so there may even be fewer slots, if any, available during tryouts for next year.

Np. I heard JCC is in consideration?

Who’s going to pay for that?

There has been no update since we were told JCC was under consideration. But, I do know the rental fee at the JCC is very expensive, so my guess is it is an unlikely option.

I believe multiple sites are still in play and the likely outcome will be the use of several facilities, as well as smaller groups.

I think you are correct but it would be nice if they’d let us know. They’ve had several years to plan for this. They will probably move some of it to the outdoor pools but they already have summer swim teams and lessons so that may not work until July or August.

So the advanced groups and senior groups at KSAC (or the MAC for those who know) practice at Bethesda Outdoor Pool for most of their summer practices. The non-advanced junior groups and minis do not practice in the summer, so they won't be impacted until the fall session.

You are right, they had years to plan and the change is 3 months away and there is still no plan. This shows the local government bureaucracy at work. Private clubs are able to act aggressively and expand their pool space but the county moves at a glacial pace. Hopefully they can find a plan that works for most families because the coaches at KSAC have built up the site to be the best in the area and would hate to see it crumble. I think a combination of Wheaton-Glenmont and Old Farm Swim and Paddle Tennis would be the options that would keep the most swimmers registered.

I agree with this 100% and hope that any use of Silver Spring for practice is kept the an absolute minimum.

That only works for summer, spring and fall. Too cold in the winter as they are both fully outside.

I don't know about that...I think that might be a historical mindset at this point. That was certainly the sensible planning case to be made 15-20 years ago but with impacts of climate change at play and if the previous two "winters" are to be used as a guide an outside option moving forward may be a viable plan. From what I understand, part of the plan for Glenmont was to enclose the bathrooms so that would make it more feasible to use in winter.

It's a viable plan for spring and fall but not when it gets in the 20-40's. They have a brand new indoor pool. They can hire more staff to extend the hours and RMSC can pay for the coaches parking.

Most other clubs swim outside in the winter at this point. RMSC might need to buy a winter coat and toughen up

Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCAP AU
NCAP Prep
Sea Devils Swimming
Tollefson Swimming

That’s 4 in Montgomery County

Also NCAP Holton

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The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Promise made by whom?

Congrats that Silver Spring works best for you. There's a ton of people where it is not the best option.

Ok, so you deal with that just like you are telling me to deal with it.

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The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Promise made by whom?

Congrats that Silver Spring works best for you. There's a ton of people where it is not the best option.

Ok, so you deal with that just like you are telling me to deal with it.

I have a plan to deal with whatever decision they make but repeating a dozen times on a message board that Silver Spring is the best option is not my strategy.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Except they(RMSC) never "promised" Silver Spring or anything else for that matter. Silver Spring as a wholesale/only solution was never "promised" by anyone in any official RMSC capacity... In fact, they went out of their way, to the point of being annoying, to not provide much specific information until recently.

Silver Spring may be part of the practice solution moving forward but so will some of the outside options. We'll all know in advance of committing to another year agreement this August so you'll be able to decide then, with all the information, as to whether or not the new agreement works for your family.

Personally, I'd be fine if Silver Spring wasn't used at all since the parking is horrible and the traffic worse but I realize that it may be part of the mix and will make my decision based on the specific actual details when they become available.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.
You realize there was a poster up thread that told people to name a club that swam outside in the winters, apparently confident that such a thing couldn’t possibly be true, right?

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.
They weren’t making promises to you personally. If Silver Spring isn’t feasible anymore for whatever reason, then it isn’t. If you can’t easily switch sites then your swimmer is likely just grist for their mill and they will have no trouble finding a swimmer to take their place. You act like RMSC cares about your individual situation, and the reality is they don’t.

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The original promise was the silver spring pool. It’s not that easy to switch sites and the silver spring would work best for us. We cannot afford a different club.

Promise made by whom?

Congrats that Silver Spring works best for you. There's a ton of people where it is not the best option.

Ok, so you deal with that just like you are telling me to deal with it.

I have a plan to deal with whatever decision they make but repeating a dozen times on a message board that Silver Spring is the best option is not my strategy.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

You realize there was a poster up thread that told people to name a club that swam outside in the winters, apparently confident that such a thing couldn’t possibly be true, right?

Unfortunately for that poster clubs do swim outside. We aren’t trying to push some propaganda on here, we are just stating it’s very common.

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Name a single DC-area club that swims outside in winter

NCap AU swims at Montgomery Square twice a week outside, year-round
NCap Prep swims at Montgomery Square and one other outdoor site when Prep is closed
Tollefson swims at Inverness twice a week year-round


They only cancel if the air temps are below 30 or if the pool heaters can't get the water temps up to a certain level

What does this have to do with anything? No RMSC group swims outside in the winter. Those parents agreed to it, we did not.

You seem like an angry elf. The county hasn’t planned well or communicated well about these changes. That said swimming outside is a real potential solution for RMSC, as it is for other local clubs. It’s not ideal, I don’t think anyone given the choice of an indoor option near the KSAC would choose swimming outdoors, but as the county has stated, swimming outdoors is likely at least some of the time. You are welcome to find another club or site.

You realize there was a poster up thread that told people to name a club that swam outside in the winters, apparently confident that such a thing couldn’t possibly be true, right?

Unfortunately for that poster clubs do swim outside. We aren’t trying to push some propaganda on here, we are just stating it’s very common.

Those clubs have nothing to do with RMSC. It's not comparable.