Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

Of course I do. I would like Palestinians to have a government of their own that doesn’t want to anihilate isreal. I thought that went without saying.

That feels a little like Blue Lives Matter to me since I don't think anyone credible would suggest that of these two groups, the one much further down the path of self-governance is the side needing of support. I don't disagree with your proposed solutions, though I imagine it will be difficult to bring to fruition. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying.

Palestinians who want to live in peace, without Hamas, don’t have very many friends do they? But they would find friends in the US. Hamas effed up.

These are English words but what do they mean?

It means Hamas is done for. They caught they car. What happens next is not what they hope for.

Hamas are suicide terrorists. Maybe you don't grasp what that means. Half of them operate out of Qatar, which has long been an "ally" of the US, in that it provides a useful back-channel whenever Israel messes up, which it frequently does. Qatar has agreed to revisit its hosting of Hamas leaders after the war, but they'll just go elsewhere. The half that stayed in Gaza know full well most of them will die. They believe they are going to Muslim Paradise, PP. Their earthly goal is to conflagrate the region and trigger Hezbollah, which has a very powerful army and is loaded with weapons that makes Israel blanch, to open an eastern front. If that happens, and various Arab states support Hezbollah because their public opinions are baying for blood after the massacre of Palestinians, the US will have to engage militarily to stop Israel from going under. And they will, because the US has a very powerful pro-Israel lobby on both sides of the aisle. Hence, WWIII, because you can bet that Russia and China aren't going to take the side of US.

How likely is this scenario? Probably unlikely, because the reality is that Saudi Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel, and it has a lot of influence in the region. All Iran can do is push Hezbollah. The grown-ups will probably prevail, but at what cost? The surviving Palestinians still have no future.

Is it true that Hamas may have attacked at this point because Saudia Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Here, I’ll help you: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-told-us-it-is-open-reconsidering-hamas-presence-us-official-says-2023-10-27/

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

Of course I do. I would like Palestinians to have a government of their own that doesn’t want to anihilate isreal. I thought that went without saying.

That feels a little like Blue Lives Matter to me since I don't think anyone credible would suggest that of these two groups, the one much further down the path of self-governance is the side needing of support. I don't disagree with your proposed solutions, though I imagine it will be difficult to bring to fruition. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying.

Palestinians who want to live in peace, without Hamas, don’t have very many friends do they? But they would find friends in the US. Hamas effed up.

These are English words but what do they mean?

It means Hamas is done for. They caught they car. What happens next is not what they hope for.

Hamas are suicide terrorists. Maybe you don't grasp what that means. Half of them operate out of Qatar, which has long been an "ally" of the US, in that it provides a useful back-channel whenever Israel messes up, which it frequently does. Qatar has agreed to revisit its hosting of Hamas leaders after the war, but they'll just go elsewhere. The half that stayed in Gaza know full well most of them will die. They believe they are going to Muslim Paradise, PP. Their earthly goal is to conflagrate the region and trigger Hezbollah, which has a very powerful army and is loaded with weapons that makes Israel blanch, to open an eastern front. If that happens, and various Arab states support Hezbollah because their public opinions are baying for blood after the massacre of Palestinians, the US will have to engage militarily to stop Israel from going under. And they will, because the US has a very powerful pro-Israel lobby on both sides of the aisle. Hence, WWIII, because you can bet that Russia and China aren't going to take the side of US.

How likely is this scenario? Probably unlikely, because the reality is that Saudi Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel, and it has a lot of influence in the region. All Iran can do is push Hezbollah. The grown-ups will probably prevail, but at what cost? The surviving Palestinians still have no future.

Is it true that Hamas may have attacked at this point because Saudia Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel?

Yes. That is one theory.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

Of course I do. I would like Palestinians to have a government of their own that doesn’t want to anihilate isreal. I thought that went without saying.

That feels a little like Blue Lives Matter to me since I don't think anyone credible would suggest that of these two groups, the one much further down the path of self-governance is the side needing of support. I don't disagree with your proposed solutions, though I imagine it will be difficult to bring to fruition. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying.

Palestinians who want to live in peace, without Hamas, don’t have very many friends do they? But they would find friends in the US. Hamas effed up.

These are English words but what do they mean?

It means Hamas is done for. They caught they car. What happens next is not what they hope for.

Hamas are suicide terrorists. Maybe you don't grasp what that means. Half of them operate out of Qatar, which has long been an "ally" of the US, in that it provides a useful back-channel whenever Israel messes up, which it frequently does. Qatar has agreed to revisit its hosting of Hamas leaders after the war, but they'll just go elsewhere. The half that stayed in Gaza know full well most of them will die. They believe they are going to Muslim Paradise, PP. Their earthly goal is to conflagrate the region and trigger Hezbollah, which has a very powerful army and is loaded with weapons that makes Israel blanch, to open an eastern front. If that happens, and various Arab states support Hezbollah because their public opinions are baying for blood after the massacre of Palestinians, the US will have to engage militarily to stop Israel from going under. And they will, because the US has a very powerful pro-Israel lobby on both sides of the aisle. Hence, WWIII, because you can bet that Russia and China aren't going to take the side of US.

How likely is this scenario? Probably unlikely, because the reality is that Saudi Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel, and it has a lot of influence in the region. All Iran can do is push Hezbollah. The grown-ups will probably prevail, but at what cost? The surviving Palestinians still have no future.

Is it true that Hamas may have attacked at this point because Saudia Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel?

Yes. Hamas’ charter is clear about how it feels about negotiations and diplomacy:

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Here, I’ll help you: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-told-us-it-is-open-reconsidering-hamas-presence-us-official-says-2023-10-27/

Uh huh. I don’t believe them. Sounds like how Pakistan handled Al Qaeda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+100. The sides have definitely been drawn and I think Israel will have lost sizable support for generations. Obviously, the staunchly anti-Arab, pro-apartheid types will stick around but for many of us who thought we could remain supportive of both sides, it's finished. Israel has gone without question beyond any hope of redemption. My heart breaks to see what news unfolds tomorrow after tonight's brutal strike.

+ 200.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

Of course I do. I would like Palestinians to have a government of their own that doesn’t want to anihilate isreal. I thought that went without saying.

That feels a little like Blue Lives Matter to me since I don't think anyone credible would suggest that of these two groups, the one much further down the path of self-governance is the side needing of support. I don't disagree with your proposed solutions, though I imagine it will be difficult to bring to fruition. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying.

Palestinians who want to live in peace, without Hamas, don’t have very many friends do they? But they would find friends in the US. Hamas effed up.

These are English words but what do they mean?

It means Hamas is done for. They caught they car. What happens next is not what they hope for.

Hamas are suicide terrorists. Maybe you don't grasp what that means. Half of them operate out of Qatar, which has long been an "ally" of the US, in that it provides a useful back-channel whenever Israel messes up, which it frequently does. Qatar has agreed to revisit its hosting of Hamas leaders after the war, but they'll just go elsewhere. The half that stayed in Gaza know full well most of them will die. They believe they are going to Muslim Paradise, PP. Their earthly goal is to conflagrate the region and trigger Hezbollah, which has a very powerful army and is loaded with weapons that makes Israel blanch, to open an eastern front. If that happens, and various Arab states support Hezbollah because their public opinions are baying for blood after the massacre of Palestinians, the US will have to engage militarily to stop Israel from going under. And they will, because the US has a very powerful pro-Israel lobby on both sides of the aisle. Hence, WWIII, because you can bet that Russia and China aren't going to take the side of US.

How likely is this scenario? Probably unlikely, because the reality is that Saudi Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel, and it has a lot of influence in the region. All Iran can do is push Hezbollah. The grown-ups will probably prevail, but at what cost? The surviving Palestinians still have no future.

Is it true that Hamas may have attacked at this point because Saudia Arabia wants to normalize ties with the US and Israel?

It's one of the reasons, correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

Here my reason for hope https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/27/gaza-israel-humanitarian-pause/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+1000
Same same same.
The people that have texted/DM’d and physically whispered about their disgust and helplessness of this situation and sympathy for Palestinians is real. No one feels like they can speak out.

Wait which is it? Mass protests or you think you can’t speak out?

Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people horrified with what Israel has been doing the last 2 weeks (and especially tonight!!) that also have mortgages and families and dont want to lose thier jobs or be called “anti semites” for having empathy for palestinian children being slaughtered by the thousands? Do you think the ones protesting are it?

I’m one of those people with a mortgage and a family who is heartbroken for all of the people who are caught up in this war. But I support the right of Israel to exist, as do most other Americans. That doesn’t change.

You neglected to mention that you also support the right of Palestinians to exist. Was that an honest oversight?

Of course I do. I would like Palestinians to have a government of their own that doesn’t want to anihilate isreal. I thought that went without saying.

That feels a little like Blue Lives Matter to me since I don't think anyone credible would suggest that of these two groups, the one much further down the path of self-governance is the side needing of support. I don't disagree with your proposed solutions, though I imagine it will be difficult to bring to fruition. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying.

Palestinians who want to live in peace, without Hamas, don’t have very many friends do they? But they would find friends in the US. Hamas effed up.

Are you suggesting the US allow Palestinians in as refugees?

Palestinians don't support US culture. Even poor Palestinians have multiple wives. Women are treated as second class citizens. Burkas are not required but many women wear them. Palestinians also support Hamas. Arab nations don't want the Palestinians but they have a lot more in common with Arab nations.

Some of this fits more for Haredim than Palestinians . There are burqas worn in Israel by the Haredim

The burqa sect in Israel is tiny.

Gaza women seem to wear hijabs more than burqas.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+100. The sides have definitely been drawn and I think Israel will have lost sizable support for generations. Obviously, the staunchly anti-Arab, pro-apartheid types will stick around but for many of us who thought we could remain supportive of both sides, it's finished. Israel has gone without question beyond any hope of redemption. My heart breaks to see what news unfolds tomorrow after tonight's brutal strike.

So you think Israel should be destroyed? And you think that is an effective way to bring about the liberation of Palestine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

Here my reason for hope https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/27/gaza-israel-humanitarian-pause/

That is entirely meant for a domestic audience (the Admin is getting slammed by the Democratic Party left). It’s not for either Israel or Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

Definitely forever gone. Even within my own circles- everyone has gone all in for Palestinian liberation and and are calling for an immediate ceasefire. All one needs to do is look at the protests around the world- and even the protests within this country over the past few weeks have been massive. Protesters took over Grand Central Station tonight. I’m sorry boomers, but the narrative has been changing for a while and it’s changing rapidly.

+100. The sides have definitely been drawn and I think Israel will have lost sizable support for generations. Obviously, the staunchly anti-Arab, pro-apartheid types will stick around but for many of us who thought we could remain supportive of both sides, it's finished. Israel has gone without question beyond any hope of redemption. My heart breaks to see what news unfolds tomorrow after tonight's brutal strike.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Only a fool believes this. None of the countries in the region are going back to, pre Gaza genocide, relations with the U.S. or Israel. They are just buying time and figuring out how to reposition.