Ukraine war - which side is winning?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Russia. they will drag on and the world wont have appetite to carry on.

russia has over a million troops, they are playing games in ukrain, they could destroy it if they wanted to. they are essentially destabilizing the region. that is their goal so they are winning

One of the few who gets it here

Losing generals, tanks, the flagship, the other flagship, those paratroopers, countless troops, irradiating soldies at Chernobyl, that's just playing games.

Sure.

Russia is destroying Ukraine. Russia is destabilizing Russia.

Typical answer from someone who is truly clueless.
Losing generals, tanks, ships etc. is part of wars, nothing new there.
They are toying with Ukraine. They could have bombed Kiev into oblivion if they wanted to. They are destabilizing the region and destroying Ukraine piece by piece until they get what they want.
Ukraine will never be a member of Nato

Okay. You think you're right and I think you're not.

We'll find out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Russia. they will drag on and the world wont have appetite to carry on.

russia has over a million troops, they are playing games in ukrain, they could destroy it if they wanted to. they are essentially destabilizing the region. that is their goal so they are winning

One of the few who gets it here

Losing generals, tanks, the flagship, the other flagship, those paratroopers, countless troops, irradiating soldies at Chernobyl, that's just playing games.

Sure.

Russia is destroying Ukraine. Russia is destabilizing Russia.

Typical answer from someone who is truly clueless.
Losing generals, tanks, ships etc. is part of wars, nothing new there.
They are toying with Ukraine. They could have bombed Kiev into oblivion if they wanted to. They are destabilizing the region and destroying Ukraine piece by piece until they get what they want.
Ukraine will never be a member of Nato

Ukraine was never going to be a member of NATO before the bombs started falling. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the alliance decided they will not say they won't do what they know they won't do. It would have been much easier to say, in January of this year, look, we don't want to pursue the NATO ambition anymore.

[Anonymous]

Putin is a fool. Russia will suffer and decline for decades to come. Their economy is fragile. They have allowed oligarchs to bleed their national assets. They need to be engaged with Western institutions to function.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putin is a fool. Russia will suffer and decline for decades to come. Their economy is fragile. They have allowed oligarchs to bleed their national assets. They need to be engaged with Western institutions to function.

The Ruble hit a 7 year high yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Good question:

https://europerenaissance.com/2022/06/21/ukraines-top-opposition-party-banned-along-with-eleven-other-opposition-parties/

[Anonymous]

they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

[Anonymous]

“Ukrainian forces may soon give up the key battleground of Severodonetsk in the east, where their troops have suffered heavy losses and the Russian offensive has gained significant ground.”

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/24/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html

No one is gonna care about Ukraine in 12 months time.

Russians won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

The only winning side here is the military complex. The CEO of Raytheon must feel like Christmas came early.

And shame on the mainstream media who continue to feature talking head pundits arguing for more military involvement introduced as former heads of agency this or that without disclosing that they are CURRENTLY lobbyists for company X or Z that stands to benefit major $ from a continued war effort.

Goodbye journalists, hello courtiers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

They'll figure it out. I've chatted to an (affluent) friend in Moscow a few days ago and she said people are moving credit card accounts to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, so life continues as before. Flying became inconvenient, it's true, and prices are rising, but they are rising everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

They'll figure it out. I've chatted to an (affluent) friend in Moscow a few days ago and she said people are moving credit card accounts to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, so life continues as before. Flying became inconvenient, it's true, and prices are rising, but they are rising everywhere.

Lol

Sure, just as before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Ukrainian forces may soon give up the key battleground of Severodonetsk in the east, where their troops have suffered heavy losses and the Russian offensive has gained significant ground.”

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/24/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html

No one is gonna care about Ukraine in 12 months time.

Russians won.

What about the sanctions? They are pretty serious as they stand. What do you think will happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

The only winning side here is the military complex. The CEO of Raytheon must feel like Christmas came early.

And shame on the mainstream media who continue to feature talking head pundits arguing for more military involvement introduced as former heads of agency this or that without disclosing that they are CURRENTLY lobbyists for company X or Z that stands to benefit major $ from a continued war effort.

Goodbye journalists, hello courtiers.

Sadly I have to agree.
Look at Kherson vs Mariupol. Their fate is the same, except one is razed to the ground, dead bodies not even being collected anymore, at risk of cholera in the summer.
I am sure they are happy about their EU candidacy status though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking.
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay.
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources.

They'll figure it out. I've chatted to an (affluent) friend in Moscow a few days ago and she said people are moving credit card accounts to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, so life continues as before. Flying became inconvenient, it's true, and prices are rising, but they are rising everywhere.

Oh, I know it first hand. Tickets are twice as expensive, the Turks are truly on a roll being the only reliable connection (flydubai and Emirates come distant second and Air Serbia is under pressure to not expand so they aren’t that significant).
I am more concerned about transportation safety and convenience and modernization. They have already removed a few modern western trains from less flagship routes. Kazakhstan could help with spare parts but they are flip flopping and under pressure from the west I am sure.

[Anonymous]

I've posted here a little bit ago stating that a negotiated settlement, when it is reached, would be remarkably close with what was discussed in Istanbul. And then everyone will ask themselves - why didn't we agree to this in the first instance and save everyone the death and destruction that has occurred since? Here is now the plan from National Interest that is very close to the Istanbul tenets:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/proposed-peace-plan-end-russo-ukrainian-war-203009

[Anonymous]

Right now my main questions are:
- what happens with the sanctions
And
- what happens with the ruble exchange rate
What’s going on now is extremely bad for the people of Russia - not for Putin and his cronies, for your average Joe. That’s why I am concerned.