Ukraine war - which side is winning?

[Anonymous]

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Ukraine is going to end up a landlocked, utterly destroyed wasteland. Russia will capture all of Ukraine’s industry, coastline, and harbors and thereby control the lion’s share of the world‘s wheat, fertilizer, oil, and gas.

America will pretend that the fact Russia didn’t capture all of Ukraine is a “victory” for Ukraine and America. And the credulous American public will swallow and accept this rubbish just like many of you believed the foolish lie that there was ever a chance that the oligarchs whom Putin made would overthrow him….

Just a reality check here. The "lion's share of the word's oil and gas"?? Lots of oil and gas is here in North America, in the Middle East, and in places like Venezuela and in the North Sea. What are you talking about?

Embarrassing that you’re nitpicking the oil/gas reference in PP’s comment bc s/he’s right about everything else.

Btw, Russia’s going to control Russian, Ukrainian, and Kazakh oil/gas and has sway w/ Saudis that Biden doesn’t bc he was talking trash on the campaign trail.

Just saying.

You are an idiot. They are going to enjoy the life of the North Koreans. Won't that be great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is going to end up a landlocked, utterly destroyed wasteland. Russia will capture all of Ukraine’s industry, coastline, and harbors and thereby control the lion’s share of the world‘s wheat, fertilizer, oil, and gas.

America will pretend that the fact Russia didn’t capture all of Ukraine is a “victory” for Ukraine and America. And the credulous American public will swallow and accept this rubbish just like many of you believed me the foolish lie that there was ever a chance that the oligarchs whom Putin made would overthrow him….

This is nonsense. Did you forget the "/s"?

Riiiight. The Ukrainian govt did NOT just admit that Russia is poised to control all of the Donbas and southeastern Ukraine. It’s NOT true that Russian control of those areas would leave Ukraine landlocked and Russia in control of Ukraine’s harbors. It’s all a lie. Mmmhmm. Keep your eyes and ears closed tight now.

I see that you are not a fan of maps.

[Anonymous]

Russia cannot sustain an occupation of vast swaths of Ukraine in the short or long term. Putin’s armies are brittle and depleted. It’s suffered staggering losses in terms of troops (mostly conscripts) and military equipment. Over 31,000 KIA. Over a thousand tanks destroyed. Hundreds of aircraft. The Russians don’t have air superiority. Their Black Sea fleet continues to suffer losses. And there is now a more sustained flow of weapon systems to Ukraine (no thanks to the Germans). Much of the industrial base of Ukraine is destroyed as is the port city of Mariupol, which no longer has strategic value because the Russians can’t rebuild it.

The wat isn’t really winnable for either side. The question becomes how can some degree of a resolution be obtained given the scope of war crimes committed by the Putin regime and its reembrace of the gulag archipelago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is going to end up a landlocked, utterly destroyed wasteland. Russia will capture all of Ukraine’s industry, coastline, and harbors and thereby control the lion’s share of the world‘s wheat, fertilizer, oil, and gas.

America will pretend that the fact Russia didn’t capture all of Ukraine is a “victory” for Ukraine and America. And the credulous American public will swallow and accept this rubbish just like many of you believed me the foolish lie that there was ever a chance that the oligarchs whom Putin made would overthrow him….

This is nonsense. Did you forget the "/s"?

Riiiight. The Ukrainian govt did NOT just admit that Russia is poised to control all of the Donbas and southeastern Ukraine. It’s NOT true that Russian control of those areas would leave Ukraine landlocked and Russia in control of Ukraine’s harbors. It’s all a lie. Mmmhmm. Keep your eyes and ears closed tight now.

I see that you are not a fan of maps.

Find Odesa on a map for extra credit.

[Anonymous]

Russia will be labeled a state sponsor of terrorism by the US.
Russia will be removed from the UN Security Council or the UN may be replaced by another version of itself to get rid or Russias role there.

Maybe their will be a revolt of sorts within Russia, but not likely. There are a few brilliant people there who carry the country; but for the most part they are pretty pathetic lot with short life spans and low education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ukraine is going to end up a landlocked, utterly destroyed wasteland. Russia will capture all of Ukraine’s industry, coastline, and harbors and thereby control the lion’s share of the world‘s wheat, fertilizer, oil, and gas.

America will pretend that the fact Russia didn’t capture all of Ukraine is a “victory” for Ukraine and America. And the credulous American public will swallow and accept this rubbish just like many of you believed the foolish lie that there was ever a chance that the oligarchs whom Putin made would overthrow him….

Just a reality check here. The "lion's share of the word's oil and gas"?? Lots of oil and gas is here in North America, in the Middle East, and in places like Venezuela and in the North Sea. What are you talking about?

Embarrassing that you’re nitpicking the oil/gas reference in PP’s comment bc s/he’s right about everything else.

Btw, Russia’s going to control Russian, Ukrainian, and Kazakh oil/gas and has sway w/ Saudis that Biden doesn’t bc he was talking trash on the campaign trail.

Just saying.

The murderous Saudi regime happily jumped into bed with the likes of Kushner and Mnuchin years ago. Biden wasn’t going to change that situation. As for Ukrainian oil, that’s negligible. Ukrainian grain is a far, far greater issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia will be labeled a state sponsor of terrorism by the US.
Russia will be removed from the UN Security Council or the UN may be replaced by another version of itself to get rid or Russias role there.

Maybe their will be a revolt of sorts within Russia, but not likely. There are a few brilliant people there who carry the country; but for the most part they are pretty pathetic lot with short life spans and low education.

China isn’t going to agree to remove Russia from the UNSC. And countries like KSA, UAE, India, Hungary and Turkey with antidemocratic regimes see advantages to a strategic alliance with even a substantially weakened Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ukraine is going to end up a landlocked, utterly destroyed wasteland. Russia will capture all of Ukraine’s industry, coastline, and harbors and thereby control the lion’s share of the world‘s wheat, fertilizer, oil, and gas.

America will pretend that the fact Russia didn’t capture all of Ukraine is a “victory” for Ukraine and America. And the credulous American public will swallow and accept this rubbish just like many of you believed the foolish lie that there was ever a chance that the oligarchs whom Putin made would overthrow him….

Just a reality check here. The "lion's share of the word's oil and gas"?? Lots of oil and gas is here in North America, in the Middle East, and in places like Venezuela and in the North Sea. What are you talking about?

Embarrassing that you’re nitpicking the oil/gas reference in PP’s comment bc s/he’s right about everything else.

Btw, Russia’s going to control Russian, Ukrainian, and Kazakh oil/gas and has sway w/ Saudis that Biden doesn’t bc he was talking trash on the campaign trail.

Just saying.

Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan oil reverses are less then 6% of the world. Russia will have trouble going forward extracting the oil without western help. Russia has 24% of the natural gas reserves but that is hard to transport. Fertilizer is taken from the air and wheat production needs people, financial support and infrastructure to bring to market. So no the poster was not right on other things. The areas Russia capture are worthless because they destroy everything and there will be an ongoing partisan action which will spread to Russia itself.

[Anonymous]

League of Nations was replaced by the UN after WW2.

It is due for an upgrade. The west could dissolve the entire thing and start a new one without Russia altogether and China with no position of power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:League of Nations was replaced by the UN after WW2.

It is due for an upgrade. The west could dissolve the entire thing and start a new one without Russia altogether and China with no position of power.

I actually do hope America alienates China. This country’s arrogant population deserves to learn some hard lessons.

[Anonymous]

Russia is winning. And when they finally achieve victory, the rest of Europe will come back and lick Putin’s boots, because they need Russian natural gas and oil to avoid freezing next winter.

All because Joe Biden wouldn’t give them REAL weapons systems that could be used offensively, in Russia itself, and instead only gave Ukraine defensive weapons for use on their own territory. Where are the MiGs? Where are the long range rockets? Where are the cruise missiles?

No where.

That’s why Russia is going to win, and Europe will come back to them with their hat in their hands next fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia is winning. And when they finally achieve victory, the rest of Europe will come back and lick Putin’s boots, because they need Russian natural gas and oil to avoid freezing next winter.

All because Joe Biden wouldn’t give them REAL weapons systems that could be used offensively, in Russia itself, and instead only gave Ukraine defensive weapons for use on their own territory. Where are the MiGs? Where are the long range rockets? Where are the cruise missiles?

No where.

That’s why Russia is going to win, and Europe will come back to them with their hat in their hands next fall.

Thanks trump!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia is winning. And when they finally achieve victory, the rest of Europe will come back and lick Putin’s boots, because they need Russian natural gas and oil to avoid freezing next winter.

All because Joe Biden wouldn’t give them REAL weapons systems that could be used offensively, in Russia itself, and instead only gave Ukraine defensive weapons for use on their own territory. Where are the MiGs? Where are the long range rockets? Where are the cruise missiles?

No where.

That’s why Russia is going to win, and Europe will come back to them with their hat in their hands next fall.

Russia isn't "willing" - it is making slow gains, but at tremendous expense.

We are sending them HIMARS which can take out Russian artillery. Russia has been losing tanks and IFVs like crazy, to the point where they have had to dig out mothballed 1960s T-62 tanks to send to the front, which will be picked off even faster. Russia's only real advantages have been its relentless artillery, which has leveled town after town, and its use of cruise missiles against strategic inland targets. Ukraine needs artillery with longer range than Russian artillery, and it needs air defense that can intercept missiles.

[Anonymous]

^ "willing" - "winning" - bizarre autocorrect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Russia is winning. And when they finally achieve victory, the rest of Europe will come back and lick Putin’s boots, because they need Russian natural gas and oil to avoid freezing next winter.

All because Joe Biden wouldn’t give them REAL weapons systems that could be used offensively, in Russia itself, and instead only gave Ukraine defensive weapons for use on their own territory. Where are the MiGs? Where are the long range rockets? Where are the cruise missiles?

No where.

That’s why Russia is going to win, and Europe will come back to them with their hat in their hands next fall.

Russia isn't "willing" - it is making slow gains, but at tremendous expense.

We are sending them HIMARS which can take out Russian artillery. Russia has been losing tanks and IFVs like crazy, to the point where they have had to dig out mothballed 1960s T-62 tanks to send to the front, which will be picked off even faster. Russia's only real advantages have been its relentless artillery, which has leveled town after town, and its use of cruise missiles against strategic inland targets. Ukraine needs artillery with longer range than Russian artillery, and it needs air defense that can intercept missiles.

Generally yes, but:

- the T-62s have been deployed to Crimea, not the front lines in Donbass.

This distinction is important because it shows Russia still has enough T72s (and fewer T80s and fewer still T90s. The T14 is a pipe dream) for frontline service.

It’s also important because it shows Putin believes the Ukrainians may now have manpower, weapons, and backing to attack and take back their land in Crimea.

The HIMARS artillery rocket system is crucial because it out-ranges Russian artillery (of which they have ample supply). It may turn out to be a “game changer” - IFF,

- the Ukrainians deploy it intelligently.

So far, Ukrainian strategy has been far more intelligent than their opponents.