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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking. 
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay. 
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources. [/quote]

They'll figure it out.  I've chatted to an (affluent) friend in Moscow a few days ago and she said people are moving credit card accounts to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, so life continues as before. Flying became inconvenient, it's true, and prices are rising, but they are rising everywhere. 
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