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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]they are both losing and the west might or might not be winning. [b]Maybe the one winning will be China, or Turkey, or India.[/b]
What’s going to happen is a grinding warfare with one step forward and two steps back. Then the two major proponents of supporting ukraine will be voted out of office (Biden and Johnson), and the aid will mostly stop. Sanctions will stay but enforcement will be lacking. 
Russia will have bled a lot literally and figuratively, and will be suffering from constant “terrorist” attacks from ukraine. Ukraine will also be weakened.
Those who mentioned another Afghanistan are spot on, except hopefully not the same degree of shiteholeness as population much more educated.
Russia will find a way to import the critical technologies, and they will survive without Starbucks and Apple Pay. 
It will be a less cozy, modern, and advanced country than before but it will still have enough resources. [/quote]

The only winning side here is the military complex.  The CEO of Raytheon must feel like Christmas came early.

And shame on the mainstream media who continue to feature talking head pundits arguing for more military involvement introduced as former heads of agency this or that without disclosing that they are CURRENTLY lobbyists for company X or Z that stands to benefit major $ from a continued war effort.

Goodbye journalists, hello courtiers.[/quote]

Sadly I have to agree.
Look at Kherson vs Mariupol. Their fate is the same, except one is razed to the ground, dead bodies not even being collected anymore, at risk of cholera in the summer.
I am sure they are happy about their EU candidacy status though [/quote]

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