The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.

It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant.

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/





This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives.

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.

Why didn’t we just use the mother’s cells to develop the covid vaccine? Her body “produced “ these life saving cells?

We did. You are the only person who doesn’t see that clearly.

no, because we could not use the mother’s cells. we used the her cells and the father’s cells combined: the cells of their child.

No, every cell in an embryo was created by the mothers body. The father only provided DNA. DNA is not a living cell. DNA are only the instructions.

If you don’t understand science that is ok but don’t act like you have some secret knowledge and everyone else is just ignorant.

Speaking of science, do you not know sperm is the male reproductive cell?

Did you know that the male sperm cell ceases to exist once an egg is fertilized? The first cell of an embryo is a zygote. A zygote cannot be divided into less than 1 cell. Therefor the zygote is produced by the female body. She doesn’t need consent to do whatever she wants with cells produced by her own body.

Another (weird) lie. It doesn’t cease to exist; it’s half the zygote.

A zygote is a single cell. Two cells cannot makeup one single cell without ceasing to be two independent cells. 1+1 /= 1

In human fertilization, a released ovum (a haploid secondary oocyte with replicate chromosome copies) and a haploid sperm cell (male gamete)—combine to form a single 2n diploid cell called the zygote.

Exactly. One single cell.

Comprised of a cell each from the parents. That’s inconvenient for you, but you don’t seem to
mind be wrong, so full speed ahead!

This is the fallacy of abortion being "a women's choice." It's not a natural choice nor a natural right anymore than stepping on a bug, killing a mouse, or eradicating an internal disease. The only thing that matters in all of this is the legal determination of when this entity is considered a human life. At that point, killing that human life would be the same as killing a newborn, an invalid, an elderly person with dementia or terminal disease, etc. Prior to that point it should be equivalent (legally) to killing a foreign body in the woman's body (germ, virus, parasite, etc.). Scientifically, the argument is that this point is around 20-24 weeks. Some states are trying to make it 15 weeks. Either way that is at least 3 months from time of conception. Is it really that difficult, if you're a woman having sex with one or more partners to monitor your monthly cycle and take a home pregnancy test in those first 3 months if you miss your normal period? If you're positive and don't want a child, then get an abortion immediately. The boyfriend/partner/husband can also participate in this same decision process, with the decision still being the woman's prior to the 15 or 24 week point.

In cases of rape - do the same. Take a pregnancy test early and take action as desired. In case of a dangerous pregnancy (threat of life to mother and/or child) then different laws should apply with protection of mother being the priority with consultation of doctor and spouse (when applicable).

Why is this so hard to comprehend and agree to?

This is such a privileged and simplistic point of view. What’s it like to go through life without an imagination or empathy?

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pre-born babies aren’t human or alive, but give us those sweet sweet cells pre-born baby cells that heal humans!

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Anonymous wrote:Np- it doesn’t matter if the zygote is one cell or two. It isn’t a person and can’t give consent.
But I encourage forced birthers to forego all vaccines.
Please do the world a favor.

The definition of zygote does matter. Again- you have an opinion but your opinion isn’t fact. Zygote is defined.

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Why is it that the same people who wouldn’t wear masks or take vaccines because it was government coercion want to use government coercion to force a pregnant woman to have a baby? Seems inconsistent. Sounds like “personal freedom” only applies to what they prefer. Do I have it wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Could you imagine moving to Texas or FL and then having the laws changed like this? Between the pro-life laws and the anti-LGBT stuff in these states, I would be looking to get TF out of there. Who knows what next.

Please use the correct term.
These laws are forced birth.
Words matter.

DP. I credit this thread with educating me about the term "forced birth". It's absolutely more accurate. These people are the American Taliban and they are not pro-life in any sense of the word "life".

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Anonymous wrote:Np- it doesn’t matter if the zygote is one cell or two. It isn’t a person and can’t give consent.
But I encourage forced birthers to forego all vaccines.
Please do the world a favor.

The definition of zygote does matter. Again- you have an opinion but your opinion isn’t fact. Zygote is defined.

It isn’t a person. So it doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Np- it doesn’t matter if the zygote is one cell or two. It isn’t a person and can’t give consent.
But I encourage forced birthers to forego all vaccines.
Please do the world a favor.

The definition of zygote does matter. Again- you have an opinion but your opinion isn’t fact. Zygote is defined.

Defined as a single cell. Single. Cell. Made by the female body. Only the genetic code remains from the male sperm cell.

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Anonymous wrote:Np- it doesn’t matter if the zygote is one cell or two. It isn’t a person and can’t give consent.
But I encourage forced birthers to forego all vaccines.
Please do the world a favor.

The definition of zygote does matter. Again- you have an opinion but your opinion isn’t fact. Zygote is defined.

Defined as a single cell. Single. Cell. Made by the female body. Only the genetic code remains from the male sperm cell.

The live sperm cell fertilized the zygote. The sperm cell was made by the male body. The zygote would not be alive and exist w/o the sperm cell.

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Anonymous wrote:Np- it doesn’t matter if the zygote is one cell or two. It isn’t a person and can’t give consent.
But I encourage forced birthers to forego all vaccines.
Please do the world a favor.

The definition of zygote does matter. Again- you have an opinion but your opinion isn’t fact. Zygote is defined.

Defined as a single cell. Single. Cell. Made by the female body. Only the genetic code remains from the male sperm cell.

The live sperm cell fertilized the zygote. The sperm cell was made by the male body. The zygote would not be alive and exist w/o the sperm cell.

Dp- and it still isn’t a human that can give consent.
Just so we are all clear on that.

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People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

Pp states that not a single cell from another human can be used without consent. Even to save lives.

Then dcum started pretending sperm isn’t live reproductive cells, zygotes form from only the mother’s cells and the food she eats⁉️, pre-born babies aren’t human, but we use their cells to help and heal other humans.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

But that's not being lined up and injected forcibly with fear of imprisonment. That is a choice. And a bad example since military personnel have to give up lots of personal freedoms to be in the military anyway.

pp didn’t ask if anyone was threatened with imprisonment; they asked if the vaccine was forced, which it was in the case of thousands of people.

Just because you serve in the military, you should not give up all your rights. As you note, people who serve do give up alot of rights and make sacrifices which are not appreciated by many ppl.

Again, the vaccine was not forced. Military personnel had the option of being discharged. And yeah. You do give up a lot of rights when you join the military. The military have to obey lots of rules that civilians don't.

At any rate, I still have not heard one case of anyone being forcibly injected or threatened with imprisonment. Which is the only thing the government can do. Still waiting to hear how being given a choice you don't like is the same as being forced to do something

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.