The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

But that's not being lined up and injected forcibly with fear of imprisonment. That is a choice. And a bad example since military personnel have to give up lots of personal freedoms to be in the military anyway.

pp didn’t ask if anyone was threatened with imprisonment; they asked if the vaccine was forced, which it was in the case of thousands of people.

Just because you serve in the military, you should not give up all your rights. As you note, people who serve do give up alot of rights and make sacrifices which are not appreciated by many ppl.

Again, the vaccine was not forced. Military personnel had the option of being discharged. And yeah. You do give up a lot of rights when you join the military. The military have to obey lots of rules that civilians don't.

At any rate, I still have not heard one case of anyone being forcibly injected or threatened with imprisonment. Which is the only thing the government can do. Still waiting to hear how being given a choice you don't like is the same as being forced to do something

So pp should have asked who was threatened with imprisonment if they weren’t vaccinated. They didn’t ask that. They asked who was forced, and military personnel were given the choice of loss of their job, or vaccination. Forced to be vaccinated or lose your job. Threatening the financial support of a Service Member and his or her family, which is extremely manipulative. That’s force.

Moving the goalposts doesn’t make the original question invalid. If you want to know if people were going to be imprisoned, that’s a different metric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

But that's not being lined up and injected forcibly with fear of imprisonment. That is a choice. And a bad example since military personnel have to give up lots of personal freedoms to be in the military anyway.

pp didn’t ask if anyone was threatened with imprisonment; they asked if the vaccine was forced, which it was in the case of thousands of people.

Just because you serve in the military, you should not give up all your rights. As you note, people who serve do give up alot of rights and make sacrifices which are not appreciated by many ppl.

Again, the vaccine was not forced. Military personnel had the option of being discharged. And yeah. You do give up a lot of rights when you join the military. The military have to obey lots of rules that civilians don't.

At any rate, I still have not heard one case of anyone being forcibly injected or threatened with imprisonment. Which is the only thing the government can do. Still waiting to hear how being given a choice you don't like is the same as being forced to do something

So pp should have asked who was threatened with imprisonment if they weren’t vaccinated. They didn’t ask that. They asked who was forced, and military personnel were given the choice of loss of their job, or vaccination. Forced to be vaccinated or lose your job. Threatening the financial support of a Service Member and his or her family, which is extremely manipulative. That’s force.

Moving the goalposts doesn’t make the original question invalid. If you want to know if people were going to be imprisoned, that’s a different metric.

Dp- that is still a choice. More choice than the military usually gives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

But that's not being lined up and injected forcibly with fear of imprisonment. That is a choice. And a bad example since military personnel have to give up lots of personal freedoms to be in the military anyway.

pp didn’t ask if anyone was threatened with imprisonment; they asked if the vaccine was forced, which it was in the case of thousands of people.

Just because you serve in the military, you should not give up all your rights. As you note, people who serve do give up alot of rights and make sacrifices which are not appreciated by many ppl.

Again, the vaccine was not forced. Military personnel had the option of being discharged. And yeah. You do give up a lot of rights when you join the military. The military have to obey lots of rules that civilians don't.

At any rate, I still have not heard one case of anyone being forcibly injected or threatened with imprisonment. Which is the only thing the government can do. Still waiting to hear how being given a choice you don't like is the same as being forced to do something

So pp should have asked who was threatened with imprisonment if they weren’t vaccinated. They didn’t ask that. They asked who was forced, and military personnel were given the choice of loss of their job, or vaccination. Forced to be vaccinated or lose your job. Threatening the financial support of a Service Member and his or her family, which is extremely manipulative. That’s force.

Moving the goalposts doesn’t make the original question invalid. If you want to know if people were going to be imprisoned, that’s a different metric.

Dp- that is still a choice. More choice than the military usually gives.

They were forced to be vaccinated or lose their source of income for themselves and their families. They would be forced out of the military if they refused to comply.



https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/18/army-announces-first-soldiers-pushed-out-of-service-over-covid-19-vaccines.html/amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

You should def stop posting and take some biology courses. Not for credit, ofc. Just sit in and learn. I hate to see adults so ignorant. It actually hurts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

Those are some very unpersuasive semantics you have there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

Those are some very unpersuasive semantics you have there.

Where is your evidence that human embryos are not human?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, was explain one situation in which the government forced anyone to get a vaccine. I imagine we will be waiting all day because it didn't happen.

My sibling had to get vaccinated to stay in the military and keep their military career intact.

But that's not being lined up and injected forcibly with fear of imprisonment. That is a choice. And a bad example since military personnel have to give up lots of personal freedoms to be in the military anyway.

pp didn’t ask if anyone was threatened with imprisonment; they asked if the vaccine was forced, which it was in the case of thousands of people.

Just because you serve in the military, you should not give up all your rights. As you note, people who serve do give up alot of rights and make sacrifices which are not appreciated by many ppl.

Again, the vaccine was not forced. Military personnel had the option of being discharged. And yeah. You do give up a lot of rights when you join the military. The military have to obey lots of rules that civilians don't.

At any rate, I still have not heard one case of anyone being forcibly injected or threatened with imprisonment. Which is the only thing the government can do. Still waiting to hear how being given a choice you don't like is the same as being forced to do something

So pp should have asked who was threatened with imprisonment if they weren’t vaccinated. They didn’t ask that. They asked who was forced, and military personnel were given the choice of loss of their job, or vaccination. Forced to be vaccinated or lose your job. Threatening the financial support of a Service Member and his or her family, which is extremely manipulative. That’s force.

Moving the goalposts doesn’t make the original question invalid. If you want to know if people were going to be imprisoned, that’s a different metric.

Dp- that is still a choice. More choice than the military usually gives.

In addition, I was responding to the person who said got the government forcing people to take a vaccine is the same as forcing them to have a baby. Very different things anti-abortion people want to make it a crime to get an abortion. It currently isn't a crime to not get the vaccine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

Those are some very unpersuasive semantics you have there.

Where is your evidence that human embryos are not human?

Are ova human?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

Those are some very unpersuasive semantics you have there.

Where is your evidence that human embryos are not human?

Are ova human?

human ova are human reproductive cells in human women

a mature female reproductive cell, which can divide to give rise to an embryo usually only after fertilization by a male cell

ova are mobile, carbon-based lifeform. It is a living organism itself.

Giraffe girls have giraffe girl ova.

Weasel girls have weasel girl ova.

Dog girls have dog girl ova.

Human women have human ova.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People come before cells that may or may not form humans.

Why is this even a question?

People don't care much about babies after they are born, otherwise we would universal health care, day care and other supports.

Stop lying, pro birthers.

FORCED BIRTHERS

says you, who has a vaccine in their body, developed with the cells from a human who didn’t give consent for their cells to be used in such a manner.

Sweetie, not only did I get that vaccine…
I donated my left over embryos from IVF for science.
Why? Cause they aren’t humans. They belonged to me and I gave consent.
Suck it.

They are definitely humans.

Human embryonic development, or human embryogenesis, is the development and formation of the human embryo. It is characterised by the processes of cell division and cellular differentiation of the embryo that occurs during the early stages of development.

Oh they are definitely not humans. They are spliced apart in a lab somewhere.

They are human embryos used in experiments. But human no matter what. What process can make non- humans, human? Or humans, non- human? None. You are confused about basic biology. Just because humans are experimented on, doesn’t take away their humanness . You are not very bright.

If a deranged person cuts another person, it doesn’t make the cut person non-human.

I realize it’s worthless arguing with you, so I’ll try to make this my last post. You are convinced that an acorn and a tree are the some thing, with equal value. They are not.
The cells I donated will go to help actual humans.
1-2 cells that might one day become a human isn’t a human.

Those are some very unpersuasive semantics you have there.

Where is your evidence that human embryos are not human?

No one is saying that it is an embryo for anything other than a human.
It’s species is human.
It’s the building block of a person.
If allowed to progress it would grow organs and limbs.
No one disagrees.
I just don’t care about it.
Like… at all.