Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

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Anonymous wrote:As a flaming liberal myself and a Philadelphian, Larry Krasner actually sucks. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to Philadelphia elected officials if you think there was a coverup. There is corruption and ineptitude but I don’t but for one second that there was a buy off or coverup by anyone except possibly a coverup by a murderer here.

Larry was previously hired by Ellen’s family so he can’t take action and that is why he referred the matter to the AG.

The documentary you mention is fascinating and sad but also misleading. And I say this as someone who thinks the system is broken and Lynn Abraham also sucked. Larry needs to go.

I think I pretty clearly indicated that police incompetence/negligence was the more likely culprit.

Again I bring decades of criminal law system experience to the calculus. Please note that I didn’t say I was a Larry Krasner fan, I shared no opinion on that subject. I merely presented the facts that this documentary series exists which sheds light on the issues and the concept of progressive prosecution and the potential to use the framework to reform the criminal justice system.

‘Larry Krasner sucks’ is not an added value statement in this context. Speak to the issues with substance if you like, but that’s just a juvenile response and without any useful value.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

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Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:As a flaming liberal myself and a Philadelphian, Larry Krasner actually sucks. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to Philadelphia elected officials if you think there was a coverup. There is corruption and ineptitude but I don’t but for one second that there was a buy off or coverup by anyone except possibly a coverup by a murderer here.

Larry was previously hired by Ellen’s family so he can’t take action and that is why he referred the matter to the AG.

The documentary you mention is fascinating and sad but also misleading. And I say this as someone who thinks the system is broken and Lynn Abraham also sucked. Larry needs to go.

I think I pretty clearly indicated that police incompetence/negligence was the more likely culprit.

Again I bring decades of criminal law system experience to the calculus. Please note that I didn’t say I was a Larry Krasner fan, I shared no opinion on that subject. I merely presented the facts that this documentary series exists which sheds light on the issues and the concept of progressive prosecution and the potential to use the framework to reform the criminal justice system.

‘Larry Krasner sucks’ is not an added value statement in this context. Speak to the issues with substance if you like, but that’s just a juvenile response and without any useful value.

I simply don’t have time in my day to summarize in writing all the reasons Larry Krasner sucks, for the benefit of a stranger who trolls dcum. But you rest assured, Larry Krasner sucks

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

I think a quick Google search will show you that I am not the only one with doubts. And for someone with so many years of experience with the criminal law system, you do not seem to understand the level of evidence required to bring criminal charges or convict of homicide

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Anonymous wrote:As a flaming liberal myself and a Philadelphian, Larry Krasner actually sucks. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to Philadelphia elected officials if you think there was a coverup. There is corruption and ineptitude but I don’t but for one second that there was a buy off or coverup by anyone except possibly a coverup by a murderer here.

Larry was previously hired by Ellen’s family so he can’t take action and that is why he referred the matter to the AG.

The documentary you mention is fascinating and sad but also misleading. And I say this as someone who thinks the system is broken and Lynn Abraham also sucked. Larry needs to go.

I think I pretty clearly indicated that police incompetence/negligence was the more likely culprit.

Again I bring decades of criminal law system experience to the calculus. Please note that I didn’t say I was a Larry Krasner fan, I shared no opinion on that subject. I merely presented the facts that this documentary series exists which sheds light on the issues and the concept of progressive prosecution and the potential to use the framework to reform the criminal justice system.

‘Larry Krasner sucks’ is not an added value statement in this context. Speak to the issues with substance if you like, but that’s just a juvenile response and without any useful value.

I simply don’t have time in my day to summarize in writing all the reasons Larry Krasner sucks, for the benefit of a stranger who trolls dcum. But you rest assured, Larry Krasner sucks

Thanks for revealing your shallow intellect and boundless ego. Your opinion is valued in that context.

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Anonymous wrote:As a flaming liberal myself and a Philadelphian, Larry Krasner actually sucks. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to Philadelphia elected officials if you think there was a coverup. There is corruption and ineptitude but I don’t but for one second that there was a buy off or coverup by anyone except possibly a coverup by a murderer here.

Larry was previously hired by Ellen’s family so he can’t take action and that is why he referred the matter to the AG.

The documentary you mention is fascinating and sad but also misleading. And I say this as someone who thinks the system is broken and Lynn Abraham also sucked. Larry needs to go.

I think I pretty clearly indicated that police incompetence/negligence was the more likely culprit.

Again I bring decades of criminal law system experience to the calculus. Please note that I didn’t say I was a Larry Krasner fan, I shared no opinion on that subject. I merely presented the facts that this documentary series exists which sheds light on the issues and the concept of progressive prosecution and the potential to use the framework to reform the criminal justice system.

‘Larry Krasner sucks’ is not an added value statement in this context. Speak to the issues with substance if you like, but that’s just a juvenile response and without any useful value.

I simply don’t have time in my day to summarize in writing all the reasons Larry Krasner sucks, for the benefit of a stranger who trolls dcum. But you rest assured, Larry Krasner sucks

Thanks for revealing your shallow intellect and boundless ego. Your opinion is valued in that context.

Insulting people on dcum who are simply debating a true crime mystery is really something. Maybe I’ll pop back in tomorrow to read all of your new comments from your different personas agreeing with your comments. Try getting outside a bit

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

I think a quick Google search will show you that I am not the only one with doubts. And for someone with so many years of experience with the criminal law system, you do not seem to understand the level of evidence required to bring criminal charges or convict of homicide

Lots of people are guilty and never charged. Doesn’t make them innocent. Ever heard of OJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

I think a quick Google search will show you that I am not the only one with doubts. And for someone with so many years of experience with the criminal law system, you do not seem to understand the level of evidence required to bring criminal charges or convict of homicide

Lots of people are guilty and never charged. Doesn’t make them innocent. Ever heard of OJ?

Right. But someone on this thread seems to think justice will be served. Unless there is non-public info, I don’t think that’s the case

[Anonymous]

Well there is this: I worked for a domestic violence project several years ago, and during my time on the hotline and working in legal advocacy for women including some who were later murdered by their husbands in front of their children, I developed a plan which I still hold dear to this day.

If I am ever diagnosed with a terminal illness I will spend whatever healthy time I have remaining serial killing domestic abusers and murderers. There is a long list of them who have gotten away with it to choose from, and Sam is on mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

I think a quick Google search will show you that I am not the only one with doubts. And for someone with so many years of experience with the criminal law system, you do not seem to understand the level of evidence required to bring criminal charges or convict of homicide

Lots of people are guilty and never charged. Doesn’t make them innocent. Ever heard of OJ?

Right. But someone on this thread seems to think justice will be served. Unless there is non-public info, I don’t think that’s the case

You have a disturbing level of interest and desire to see a murderer remain free. Maybe ask yourself why that is.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.

You are the only one who doesn’t know what happened.

I think a quick Google search will show you that I am not the only one with doubts. And for someone with so many years of experience with the criminal law system, you do not seem to understand the level of evidence required to bring criminal charges or convict of homicide

Lots of people are guilty and never charged. Doesn’t make them innocent. Ever heard of OJ?

Right. But someone on this thread seems to think justice will be served. Unless there is non-public info, I don’t think that’s the case

You have a disturbing level of interest and desire to see a murderer remain free. Maybe ask yourself why that is.

No I don’t. I think he did it and has probably gotten away with it. At least from a legal perspective.

[Anonymous]

Sam did it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sam did it!

+1 Of course he did it. If a man kills a woman in the US, then he is much more likely to get away with it than not. He's more likely to never even be charged, let alone serve time. I forgot where I saw the stats, but I recall that only something like 10% or less of men who kill women ever do any prison time.

[Anonymous]

Yes the fiance Samuel Hankin Goldberg. He murdered Ellen Rae Greenberg. He did it!