Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

Look at this website, watch the videos. Then come back, okay?

https://gavinfish.com/cases/ellen-greenberg/

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

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I bring the perspective of lifelong experience with domestic violence, and 3 decades in the criminal law system as victim advocate, public defender, prosecutor.

Given the totality of the evidence (I know the case as well as any person with access to publicly available evidence could) I think it is absurd that anybody believes this was a suicide.

Many wife and girlfriend murderers are doing hard time in prison on less evidence than this. Sam is a murderer who has thus far gotten away with it.

Sadly, I don’t know if Larry Krasner could brings charges against him in the absence of a change in the ME’s office position on manner of death. The parents have been trying to force that change but legally cannot, the courts have ruled. The courts indicate the belief that a murder occurred here.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/ellen-greenberg-parents-philadelphia-pennsylvania-civil-lawsuit-ruling-20230913.html?outputType=amp

Incidentally I have just been watching the excellent POV documentary series Philly DA about the election of Larry Krasner to the DAs office and the reforms he has been implementing and the corruption he has been uncovering in the Philly police, DAs office culture and in the courts system. Given the culture there which is longstanding, I have no doubt whatsoever that an influential or wealthy family could buy their kid out of a homicide investigation, but given the cases that Krasner has uncovered and shed light on, it is also well within the realm of possibility that Philly homicide ‘detectives’ just massively bungled this all on their own.

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As an aside, for anyone who lacks inside understanding of the criminal justice system and wants to understand the issues and the science and policy behind progressive prosecution, I cannot more highly recommend the documentary series Philly DA. It’s an excellent exploration of the many issues facing all American cities grappling with violent crime and the dysfunctions of our criminal justice system under the predominant policies of our lifetimes.

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As a flaming liberal myself and a Philadelphian, Larry Krasner actually sucks. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to Philadelphia elected officials if you think there was a coverup. There is corruption and ineptitude but I don’t but for one second that there was a buy off or coverup by anyone except possibly a coverup by a murderer here.

Larry was previously hired by Ellen’s family so he can’t take action and that is why he referred the matter to the AG.

The documentary you mention is fascinating and sad but also misleading. And I say this as someone who thinks the system is broken and Lynn Abraham also sucked. Larry needs to go.

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And yes, this case was bungled by the police. To such a degree and so much time has passed, there will never be charges

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

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Anonymous wrote:Me again. On the one hand this definitely seems like a murder. But this article raises a some doubt. Mainly the hesitation wounds and also she was under the care of a psychiatrist. Plus the parents said no sign of abuse. But who would do that to themselves and how even?
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/ellen-greenberg-philadelphia-teacher-death-still-stokes-questions-from-family

Why do I feel like this is the new wife finding a mommy site and this, to her, unfortunate thread.

I'm pp and suggest all the crime junkies out there to nominate this case for a podcast, so amateur sleuths can bust this wide open and create a lot of publicity. I can't believe anyone can doubt that she was murdered with these basic facts.

Haha I am the above poster and can assure you I am not married to Sam. Nor do I have any connection.

But if Sam did murder her, what evidence could come out now to bring a case against him? Unless he confesses or makes incriminating statements to someone. Like wife #2. If he did murder her, I just don’t see enough, assuming of course that all the evidence is public.

I’m all about a podcast though. I think there might be some podcast episodes on this which I may listen to this afternoon. One thing is for sure, the investigation was bungled. I still lean toward this being a bizarre suicide, but the police did a terrible job.

I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone could think this was suicide. She looks like she was a 100 pounds wet. How could she get through the sternum and stab herself in the heart after all the other wounds she had? Do you think her antidepressants turned her into Superman? Take a look at the butcher at your local grocery store. It takes muscle to break through bone and now imagine that it’s your own.

How do you think she could physical do that? The fiancé, on other hand, looks beefy, like he could easily break her in two. I, for one, have no reasonable doubt as to what happened here.

Do you also think Scott Peterson is innocent? That an evil cult kidnapped Lacey? Because that’s what you sound like.

Most certainly think Scott Peterson is guilty and almost always think the love interest is guilty. But here, they weren’t married, no baby on the way, no divorce or money issues. No evidence of abuse. Not saying he was a Prince Charming, I can’t find all that much about him or their relationship aside from her friends and family saying they had a nice relationship.

The stabs to the back of the neck are extremely questionable and hard to believe she did. Which as far as I can tell is the only reason anyone thinks he did it. But that is not enough to bring murder charges against someone. And why him and not some other intruder if you’re so sure she was murdered?

It seems like you have a personal stake in this case bc no reasonable person could say he murdered her beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know know and do not claim to know with any certainty what happened. But I don’t think he will face charges.

The timing and content of his texts and calls to Ellen and others immediately before and after the death are all highly suspicious. You don't actually seem to much about the case. You should probably spend your time learning more before coming here to argue idiotic points that make no sense. We can tell you REALLY don't want him to face charges and you really want others to agree that's unlikely.

You seem very angry. I’m just following along a true crime(?) mystery. This is DCUM, good grief. I have admittedly not spent years of my life examining the evidence. But you seem obsessed with my opinion. Weird!

What articles or sites, if any, have you read on this topic? Have you even read the article linked in the OP. Highly doubt it.

Listening to crime junkies episode at this moment. (How is this podcast so popular?!? But that’s for another thread). Also mainly the philadelphia inquirer and local news. Like I said, this is not my life’s work

Ok Sam's mom. Sorry your son is a dirtbag.

It’s literally comical that you think this. Bc I think you are related to Ellen lol

I'm not but I wouldn't be ashamed to be. She didn't do anything wrong except have fatally awful taste in men.

Didn’t you get the memo? We’re supposed to ignore facts and logic and just accept that Ellen was an unhinged crazy woman whose medically induced suicide has unfairly left poor, innocent Sam under a cloud of suspicion.

+1

Actually no, that’s not the memo. The memo is that this case makes no sense either way and we may never know what happened.