Harmless, but annoying "stalking"? At what point should I take action?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am an amateur, but frequent, runner. I am married with children. Over a year ago, I went to a race in another state, and struck up a conversation with another runner. I am a better and more experienced runner than he is, so I was giving him some advice, as well as just general conversation. Full disclosure: yes, I did flirt with him a bit. I just considered it harmless banter--it happens a lot at races. He is also married with children, and lives in another state.

We continued contact after the race, but after a few weeks I told him that I was not comfortable with the "flirty" conversation and that it needed to stop. He asked if we could still keep in contact to talk about running things and I agreed.

And that was fine for a while--we just discussed running related stuff. But periodically he would try to be flirty again and I'd remind him that we were both married and I didn't want to do that. There were a few kind of "creepy" things--for example, one day I said my kids school was cancelled due to snow. A few days later he told me that he had my kids school district home page as one of the settings on HIS computer so he would know when their school was cancelled.

Several months ago (in August) his wife found out, and texted me that she wanted me to stop all contact with her husband; no texts, phone calls, or contact through a few of the running related websites we both frequent. I texted her back that I would stop all contact.

Since then, he has continued to try to contact me A LOT. Several times each week. He texts me, I don't respond. He tries to call me on the phone (I don't answer) and leaves voice mail messages. He has tried to call from other phone numbers (I'm guessing work? Or a payphone?) but since I can see the phone number is from his state, I don't answer. He continues to post things on the running related websites (for example, one of the sites lists the races I have done and the results, and he will leave a "cheer" for me on those.) I ignore all his attempts to contact me. At first I tried blocking his phone number, but I like I said, he will also use other phone numbers, email, the running related sites, etc. so I went ahead and unblocked his phone number so I could see how often he was contacted me and have a record, if needed.
He has sent me cards in the mail, with no signature, and nothing really written inside---just blank cards. But I can tell from the post mark where they were mailed from and he's the only person I know in that area.


There was a race last month that I was supposed to go to, but I knew he would be there so I did not go. He texted, called, emailed, etc. several times each day for a week surrounding that event, asking if we could meet up.

I don't think he is harmful in that I don't think he'll come kill me or kidnap me or anything. If he lived closer, I might worry that he would show up in the places I frequent---but he lives nearly 1000 miles away.
I thought that by ignoring him, he would eventually give up, but if anything, the longer this goes on, the more frequent the attempts are---I think back in September he was trying to contact me about once per week, and now it's become closer to 5 times per week, and sometimes several times in one day.

So should I break the "no contact" to tell him to stop? Ignoring doesn't seem to be working. Should I contact his wife and tell her about this? He had described her to me as being "mentally unstable"--but I really don't trust HIS word on that. When she texted me back in August, it was from his phone, but I have found her on facebook and could send her a message through there.

I know that I should not have engaged in the "flirting" earlier. I really did not think it would escalate to this.


What kind of behavior are you waiting for before you think he might escalate his actions?
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I have a good friend who was casually acquainted with a fellow passenger on her commute (she was single and he was married). Things started out friendly like the above and when she cut off contact with him and changed her activities to avoid him, he started contacting her family members under the guise of "concern" for her well-being. By the time she finally contacted police, he had smeared her name online, sent her family pictures of her that he had taken while she was out with friends and on dates, sent letters to her employers, etc. He was convicted of felony stalking and eventually killed himself. She wishes she had involved the police sooner but she also initially felt like he would not harm her and did not want to seem like she was overreacting.

I think this has already crossed over the line into harassment and you need to be documenting when he contacts you and your efforts to end contact, and you need to give this information to the police. It is better to overreact in this situation.
Anonymous
You need to directly tell him and his wife that he is not to contact you again and if he does then you will report all of his past communications to the police. And then follow through.
Anonymous
As a fellow woman I have to say that it drives me absolutely crazy when women are not looking at something directly because they are afraid they are overreacting.

THIS MAN IS HARASSING YOU, WHAT HE IS DOING IS A CRIME. This is NOT HARMLESS.

For god's sake stop worrying about being "wrong" or "doing too much", this has gotten out of control.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am an amateur, but frequent, runner. I am married with children. Over a year ago, I went to a race in another state, and struck up a conversation with another runner. I am a better and more experienced runner than he is, so I was giving him some advice, as well as just general conversation. Full disclosure: yes, I did flirt with him a bit. I just considered it harmless banter--it happens a lot at races. He is also married with children, and lives in another state.

We continued contact after the race, but after a few weeks I told him that I was not comfortable with the "flirty" conversation and that it needed to stop. He asked if we could still keep in contact to talk about running things and I agreed.

And that was fine for a while--we just discussed running related stuff. But periodically he would try to be flirty again and I'd remind him that we were both married and I didn't want to do that. There were a few kind of "creepy" things--for example, one day I said my kids school was cancelled due to snow. A few days later he told me that he had my kids school district home page as one of the settings on HIS computer so he would know when their school was cancelled.

Several months ago (in August) his wife found out, and texted me that she wanted me to stop all contact with her husband; no texts, phone calls, or contact through a few of the running related websites we both frequent. I texted her back that I would stop all contact.

Since then, he has continued to try to contact me A LOT. Several times each week. He texts me, I don't respond. He tries to call me on the phone (I don't answer) and leaves voice mail messages. He has tried to call from other phone numbers (I'm guessing work? Or a payphone?) but since I can see the phone number is from his state, I don't answer. He continues to post things on the running related websites (for example, one of the sites lists the races I have done and the results, and he will leave a "cheer" for me on those.) I ignore all his attempts to contact me. At first I tried blocking his phone number, but I like I said, he will also use other phone numbers, email, the running related sites, etc. so I went ahead and unblocked his phone number so I could see how often he was contacted me and have a record, if needed.
He has sent me cards in the mail, with no signature, and nothing really written inside---just blank cards. But I can tell from the post mark where they were mailed from and he's the only person I know in that area.


There was a race last month that I was supposed to go to, but I knew he would be there so I did not go. He texted, called, emailed, etc. several times each day for a week surrounding that event, asking if we could meet up.

I don't think he is harmful in that I don't think he'll come kill me or kidnap me or anything. If he lived closer, I might worry that he would show up in the places I frequent---but he lives nearly 1000 miles away.
I thought that by ignoring him, he would eventually give up, but if anything, the longer this goes on, the more frequent the attempts are---I think back in September he was trying to contact me about once per week, and now it's become closer to 5 times per week, and sometimes several times in one day.

So should I break the "no contact" to tell him to stop? Ignoring doesn't seem to be working. Should I contact his wife and tell her about this? He had described her to me as being "mentally unstable"--but I really don't trust HIS word on that. When she texted me back in August, it was from his phone, but I have found her on facebook and could send her a message through there.

I know that I should not have engaged in the "flirting" earlier. I really did not think it would escalate to this.


Yes and maybe tell her that her husband is contacting you multiple times a week and you would like him to stop.
Anonymous
Yikes, what a mess. I would have died if the wife contacted me but she did the right thing.

Lesson learned, married people have no business flirting, totally inappropriate.

If he bothers you again tell him in no uncertain terms to not contact you or you will forward all to his wife.

All you can do at this point, what a creeper!
Anonymous
So, did OP ever say whether she told her husband what's going on?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a fellow woman I have to say that it drives me absolutely crazy when women are not looking at something directly because they are afraid they are overreacting.

THIS MAN IS HARASSING YOU, WHAT HE IS DOING IS A CRIME. This is NOT HARMLESS.

For god's sake stop worrying about being "wrong" or "doing too much", this has gotten out of control.


+1
Anonymous
Many people accuse others of exactly the issue they personally have.
Strong possibility that it's him that is a mental case, not the wife
OP from everything you've said, it's not your fault. Keep flirting with men, be a human. Don't let this nut sack change you. Good luck
Anonymous
I remember a post where someone had planned to have an affair with a fellow runner at a race somewhere out of town. Is this that poster?

At any rate, yes, this is beyond. Tell your husband, tell the wife. Tell him to stop or you will seek restraining order.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why would he have your address? Or your email? Or your number? you exchanged every possible contact information? What does your husband say?


My address pops up on various search engine sites. It is not hard to find. I actually am not sure how he found out my email address. I don't recall ever giving it to him. It did surprise me the first time he emailed me, which was last month during that race that I didn't go to. Phone number--that was the contact info that I did give him when we first met. I think it's pretty standard to give people your phone number if you plan to keep in contact--which I did, at that time, because I thought we would be discussing running stuff. FWIW, I've met many people (men and women) at races and have kept in contact with them to discuss running, races, etc. None of them have turned out like this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As a fellow woman I have to say that it drives me absolutely crazy when women are not looking at something directly because they are afraid they are overreacting.

THIS MAN IS HARASSING YOU, WHAT HE IS DOING IS A CRIME. This is NOT HARMLESS.

For god's sake stop worrying about being "wrong" or "doing too much", this has gotten out of control.


+100
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a fellow woman I have to say that it drives me absolutely crazy when women are not looking at something directly because they are afraid they are overreacting.

THIS MAN IS HARASSING YOU, WHAT HE IS DOING IS A CRIME. This is NOT HARMLESS.

For god's sake stop worrying about being "wrong" or "doing too much", this has gotten out of control.


+1


+2
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Don't contact me again. If you do, I will forward every communication to your wife and to my local police station." Then follow through.


This would be my response.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Don't contact me again. If you do, I will forward every communication to your wife and to my local police station." Then follow through.


This would be my response.


+1


I would be scared a response like this would trigger the man to lash out. I would probably make up something. Say you came down with cancer and you're getting treatment. That you simply can't manage your life right now and can't handle any contact. That you hope everything is okay and wish him the best of luck.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Don't contact me again. If you do, I will forward every communication to your wife and to my local police station." Then follow through.


This would be my response.


+1


I would be scared a response like this would trigger the man to lash out. I would probably make up something. Say you came down with cancer and you're getting treatment. That you simply can't manage your life right now and can't handle any contact. That you hope everything is okay and wish him the best of luck.


This is a terrible idea. The man is obviously psycho, and probably has all kinds of insane romantic ideas about his relationship with OP. If she told him she has cancer, he would probably drive to her town right away or something nuts like that so he could see her.
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