School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Just curious...how do home buyers discern "better managed" school districts prior to making purchasing decisions?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious...how do home buyers discern "better managed" school districts prior to making purchasing decisions?

One can't possibly discern which school district is "better managed" - I know people who bought in the most expensive schools districts, and the schools are over run by the moms with problem kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time going from “He told the counselors that he had been at a shooting range and shooting sports are a family hobby” to “The school had no way of knowing he may have access to a gun.”

I had the same thought. I still am in total shock and disbelief that the school did not search his bag and locker. That said, I still blame the parents and support the charges against them. The adults at the school who didn't search him and let him go back to class should be promptly fired.

And in the weeks (months?) preceding this, there was a "dark cloud" hanging over campus, to the point admins were writing announcements about safety concerns and teens were telling their parents they wanted to stay home because of fear.

And his parents gave absolutely zero fecks.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious...how do home buyers discern "better managed" school districts prior to making purchasing decisions?

Well 1746 on 12/07?

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Oh come on. The challenges faced by this generation aren’t materially more challenging than those that came before us.

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SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Where is the help? Seriously. Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help. The help is on a 6 month waiting list. The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment. Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy. Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by. The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that. There.is.not.help.

DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.

Let’s talk about why so many kids are so broken and don’t blame the pandemic - this was a problem well before Covid

Excellent point. Parents are more consumed with themselves, and less consumed with their children, perhaps. For instance, the parents of this particular shooter could not even be bothered to take him home that day, and clearly wanted him to be someone - anyone- else's problem.

Oh shut up. It isn’t always the parents fault. In this case, maybe. Maybe not.
Things happen biologically, physically and mentally to kids that cause trauma. Mental illness is not the parents fault.
The fact that people are recognizing many kids are “broken” and need help is actually a positive thing.

No one said that mental illness is the parents fault. Failing to get them the help they need, most certainly is. The school can't raise your kid.

We found a therapist that has a sliding scale fee. If you want to find the help, it most certainly is out there.

You shut up.

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Oh come on. The challenges faced by this generation aren’t materially more challenging than those that came before us.

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Disagree. I think social media/screen time/internet usage is destroying a generation. It’s heartbreaking. Even the good kids who aren’t going to hurt anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

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What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

You cannot walk and chew gum?
Yes
Gun!!
But also broken mental health system, culture of violence, abused and neglected kids, bullying, lack of resources.
We have a lot of problems that lead to this horror!

Violence turns into gun violence with the addition of guns.

No s***!
Did I not say GUN!
Yes guns, do something about guns.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUES AS WELL. THEY ALL CO-MINGLE TO CREATE THE PERFECT STORM!
YOU cannot understand that? Or you just want to focus on guns because dealing with the mental health aspect is uncomfortable??!

Sure. Let’s look at other issues. Right after we address the low-hanging fruit: mass murders are enabled by unnecessary deadly weapons.

Get rid of the guns.

Let’s stop letting the 2A terrorists destroy our culture and kill our kids.

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Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

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What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-tell-residents-911-response-times-may-be-delayed-due-to-staffing-shortage-critical-incidents

I will protect myself from rapists and home invasion robberies the way I choose. If you want to rely on 911, fine.

But don’t tell me to be defenseless and helpless against these men - these violent repeat offender men - who the prosecutors refuse to keep in jail.

How do you function in day-to-day life given your extreme state of fear and anxiety?

You need a therapist, not an arsenal.

You do not live in D.C., do you?

I do. Do you?

Start here:
https://www.betterhelp.com/get-started/

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Oh come on. The challenges faced by this generation aren’t materially more challenging than those that came before us.

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Disagree. I think social media/screen time/internet usage is destroying a generation. It’s heartbreaking. Even the good kids who aren’t going to hurt anyone.

Oh the phones. Such a facile answer. Instagram is ruining kids but the great wars didn’t. Losing mothers in childbirth didn’t. Working on the family farm didn’t. The absence of child labor laws didn’t. Hidden family abuse didn’t but pictures of attractive people and food does.

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I do think the gun culture of the area complicated the matter for the school social worker. If guns are a past time/hobby for the family, it’s hard to say whether searching bullets during class is seriously problematic or more like searching to sports equipment wit switch games online during class (not ideal but NbD). Because the parents perceive their gun cultut as under threat, they don’t listen to any concerns that their son has an abnormal relationship with guns — plus it’s probably hard for the social workers to even gauge what is healthy or not.

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Oh come on. The challenges faced by this generation aren’t materially more challenging than those that came before us.

+1

Disagree. I think social media/screen time/internet usage is destroying a generation. It’s heartbreaking. Even the good kids who aren’t going to hurt anyone.

Social media is destroying the Boomers. Gen Z is going to be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think the gun culture of the area complicated the matter for the school social worker. If guns are a past time/hobby for the family, it’s hard to say whether searching bullets during class is seriously problematic or more like searching to sports equipment wit switch games online during class (not ideal but NbD). Because the parents perceive their gun cultut as under threat, they don’t listen to any concerns that their son has an abnormal relationship with guns — plus it’s probably hard for the social workers to even gauge what is healthy or not.

The bullet search is worthless in the criminal case for the reasons you cite. The charge against the parents will not work unless they knew he was thinking of doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think the gun culture of the area complicated the matter for the school social worker. If guns are a past time/hobby for the family, it’s hard to say whether searching bullets during class is seriously problematic or more like searching to sports equipment wit switch games online during class (not ideal but NbD). Because the parents perceive their gun cultut as under threat, they don’t listen to any concerns that their son has an abnormal relationship with guns — plus it’s probably hard for the social workers to even gauge what is healthy or not.

The bullet search is worthless in the criminal case for the reasons you cite. The charge against the parents will not work unless they knew he was thinking of doing this.

Read the charges again. They didn’t need foreknowledge; they were grossly negligent.