School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-tell-residents-911-response-times-may-be-delayed-due-to-staffing-shortage-critical-incidents

I will protect myself from rapists and home invasion robberies the way I choose. If you want to rely on 911, fine.

But don’t tell me to be defenseless and helpless against these men - these violent repeat offender men - who the prosecutors refuse to keep in jail.

How do you function in day-to-day life given your extreme state of fear and anxiety?

You need a therapist, not an arsenal.

You do not live in D.C., do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time going from “He told the counselors that he had been at a shooting range and shooting sports are a family hobby” to “The school had no way of knowing he may have access to a gun.”

I had the same thought. I still am in total shock and disbelief that the school did not search his bag and locker. That said, I still blame the parents and support the charges against them. The adults at the school who didn't search him and let him go back to class should be promptly fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-tell-residents-911-response-times-may-be-delayed-due-to-staffing-shortage-critical-incidents

I will protect myself from rapists and home invasion robberies the way I choose. If you want to rely on 911, fine.

But don’t tell me to be defenseless and helpless against these men - these violent repeat offender men - who the prosecutors refuse to keep in jail.

Store your weapon in a manner that your teenager can’t access it and that’s fine. Just like I do with mine.

+1

Same.

+2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time going from “He told the counselors that he had been at a shooting range and shooting sports are a family hobby” to “The school had no way of knowing he may have access to a gun.”

I had the same thought. I still am in total shock and disbelief that the school did not search his bag and locker. That said, I still blame the parents and support the charges against them. The adults at the school who didn't search him and let him go back to class should be promptly fired.

And in the weeks (months?) preceding this, there was a "dark cloud" hanging over campus, to the point admins were writing announcements about safety concerns and teens were telling their parents they wanted to stay home because of fear.

[Anonymous]

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SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Where is the help? Seriously. Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help. The help is on a 6 month waiting list. The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment. Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy. Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by. The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that. There.is.not.help.

DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

You cannot walk and chew gum?
Yes
Gun!!
But also broken mental health system, culture of violence, abused and neglected kids, bullying, lack of resources.
We have a lot of problems that lead to this horror!

Violence turns into gun violence with the addition of guns.

No s***!
Did I not say GUN!
Yes guns, do something about guns.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUES AS WELL. THEY ALL CO-MINGLE TO CREATE THE PERFECT STORM!
YOU cannot understand that? Or you just want to focus on guns because dealing with the mental health aspect is uncomfortable??!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-tell-residents-911-response-times-may-be-delayed-due-to-staffing-shortage-critical-incidents

I will protect myself from rapists and home invasion robberies the way I choose. If you want to rely on 911, fine.

But don’t tell me to be defenseless and helpless against these men - these violent repeat offender men - who the prosecutors refuse to keep in jail.

Store your weapon in a manner that your teenager can’t access it and that’s fine. Just like I do with mine.

+1

Same.

+2.

One of my best friends had a gun locked up in the parents' bedroom and ammo locked up in the basement. Their pre-teen son managed to get his hands on both and shot himself (accidentally or on purpose, we'll never know for sure). So you may think the gun is locked up and the kids don't know how to gain access, but you may be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-tell-residents-911-response-times-may-be-delayed-due-to-staffing-shortage-critical-incidents

I will protect myself from rapists and home invasion robberies the way I choose. If you want to rely on 911, fine.

But don’t tell me to be defenseless and helpless against these men - these violent repeat offender men - who the prosecutors refuse to keep in jail.

Store your weapon in a manner that your teenager can’t access it and that’s fine. Just like I do with mine.

+1

Same.

+2.

One of my best friends had a gun locked up in the parents' bedroom and ammo locked up in the basement. Their pre-teen son managed to get his hands on both and shot himself (accidentally or on purpose, we'll never know for sure). So you may think the gun is locked up and the kids don't know how to gain access, but you may be wrong.

Well then they either left the combo or key somewhere he could access it. Still their fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

+1

What is behind all of the school shootings?

Guns
Guns
More guns

And 2A POSs who push their vile gun culture - and guns - on the rest of us.

They are whining about bullying because they know they are to blame.

You cannot walk and chew gum?
Yes
Gun!!
But also broken mental health system, culture of violence, abused and neglected kids, bullying, lack of resources.
We have a lot of problems that lead to this horror!

Violence turns into gun violence with the addition of guns.

No s***!
Did I not say GUN!
Yes guns, do something about guns.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUES AS WELL. THEY ALL CO-MINGLE TO CREATE THE PERFECT STORM!
YOU cannot understand that? Or you just want to focus on guns because dealing with the mental health aspect is uncomfortable??!

Mental health is complicated and not always helped by interference from outsiders.
Not hard to focus on the weapon used in the attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School didn't raise him or buy that gun but I believe that the school should be held accountable for it as well. Children in better managed school districts have been sent home, arrested, and suspended, for much much less than what happened on the Monday and Tuesday before the shooting occurred.

Most people have a slanted view or misinformation about which school districts are "better managed". People want to believe if a school district is rich, these things don't happen, but they do, often. To say that certain parents tie the hands of the school administration is an absolute understatement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Where is the help? Seriously. Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help. The help is on a 6 month waiting list. The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment. Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy. Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by. The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that. There.is.not.help.

DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.

Let’s talk about why so many kids are so broken and don’t blame the pandemic - this was a problem well before Covid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Where is the help? Seriously. Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help. The help is on a 6 month waiting list. The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment. Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy. Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by. The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that. There.is.not.help.

DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.

Let’s talk about why so many kids are so broken and don’t blame the pandemic - this was a problem well before Covid

Excellent point. Parents are more consumed with themselves, and less consumed with their children, perhaps. For instance, the parents of this particular shooter could not even be bothered to take him home that day, and clearly wanted him to be someone - anyone- else's problem.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Where is the help? Seriously. Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help. The help is on a 6 month waiting list. The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment. Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy. Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by. The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that. There.is.not.help.

DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.

Let’s talk about why so many kids are so broken and don’t blame the pandemic - this was a problem well before Covid

Excellent point. Parents are more consumed with themselves, and less consumed with their children, perhaps. For instance, the parents of this particular shooter could not even be bothered to take him home that day, and clearly wanted him to be someone - anyone- else's problem.

Oh shut up. It isn’t always the parents fault. In this case, maybe. Maybe not.
Things happen biologically, physically and mentally to kids that cause trauma. Mental illness is not the parents fault.
The fact that people are recognizing many kids are “broken” and need help is actually a positive thing.

[Anonymous]

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Oh come on. The challenges faced by this generation aren’t materially more challenging than those that came before us.