TKPK public schools vs. AUP/Tenleytown/Friendship Heights public schools

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True, I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W. Some people argued but the magnet which was ridiculous because it's a small program in a large school that's also mostly Asian. It goes to show that Blair envy is a real thing.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

I had no idea. That's great!

keep replying to your self but the common cohort you claim is like 5% of Blair as a whole. The school's SAT is among the lowest in the county. You if you cherry pick your test takers and them put them up against entire schools you will get a measure that you like. But if you just look at school's student body it kind of sucks compered to the county as a whole.

#allfactsmatter

Since you're so committed to facts, here are some mistakes in your post that you'll want to correct:

No, Blair's SAT is not "among the lowest in the county." In the linked report, the overall mean SAT for Blair is 1142, which is higher than 60% of the schools.

And no, the "common cohort" [white students] is not "like 5% of Blair as a whole." Blair's white student population in 2017 (the year the report was written) was 22.3%.

Oh, so the chart above should have looked like:

Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257
Blair 1142

That's different isn't it? Typical east county progressive dishonesty. Reminds me of the way another (or maybe it's you) corrupt east county progressive made diversity the top factor in the boundary policy. She pushed these changes through the BOE without notifying the public. She did, however, manage to tell all her Facebook friends and encouraged them to comment so it looked like there was support for changes that had were voted down hard just a few months prior. Moderate Dems better wake up to progressive dishonesty here in MoCo before they destroy the county.

Sigh. No, your chart is not correct. The previous poster's chart was correct, based on the numbers for white students. Blair's 1326 number is correct for that chart.
Separately, you suggested that Blair's overall numbers were "among the lowest in the county." That was false.

Who cares about the scores of any specific race except racists? Here are the scores for ALL students:

Walter Johnson 1213
Wootton 1230
Churchill 1252
Blair 1142

And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Obviously MCPS cares--that's why the data was collected and included in the report.

So we agree then. MCPS is racist. I mean, they pay someone to do this: https://twitter.com/marya_hay/status/1230546821346471939?s=20

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

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Anonymous wrote:It fascinates me how little people know or understand county politics. All incorporated areas in the county have a political advantage. Beyond that, for a good period of time 4 out of 9 council members came from Takoma Park. It is one of the reasons why there was a push to expand the council. All it took to win a council seat was to cater to 10,000 Takoma Park residents which would give you enough votes to make Top 4 in the At-Large Democratic primary which assures that you win the General. 10,000 Takoma Park voters basically controlling the government of a county with 1 million people.

Sounds to me like that's more on the rest of the county. Or perhaps Takoma Park just reflects the county as a whole the way Ohio did for presidential elections for many years.

Omertà! The Takoma Park mafia will get to you if you’re not careful.

It'll be interesting to see how effective they are against MS-13 once the schools are integrated with eastern PG county schools.

FFS, you’ve said this three times now and no one gave you any attention so you’re back. No takoma park schools are not going to be “integrated” with schools in another county so you can keep your racist “MS-13” references for another day.

So you support segregation. Huh.

And when did you stop beating your spouse?

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Anonymous wrote:So we agree then. MCPS is racist. I mean, they pay someone to do this: https://twitter.com/marya_hay/status/1230546821346471939?s=20

Your obsession with this tweet is astonishing.

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True, I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W. Some people argued but the magnet which was ridiculous because it's a small program in a large school that's also mostly Asian. It goes to show that Blair envy is a real thing.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It's nice to see a direct comparison between cohorts to account for demographic differences to see how these schools to see how they really stack up. Guessing there may be two dozen out of boundary magnet students in this mix but that shouldn't really change the bigger picture by more than 20-30 points.

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True, I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W. Some people argued but the magnet which was ridiculous because it's a small program in a large school that's also mostly Asian. It goes to show that Blair envy is a real thing.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It's nice to see a direct comparison between cohorts to account for demographic differences to see how these schools to see how they really stack up. Guessing there may be two dozen out of boundary magnet students in this mix but that shouldn't really change the bigger picture by more than 20-30 points.

Yes, the grade has 100 magnet students, A dozen or more in-boundary anyway and fewer than 30 are included in this cohort so yes the impact is pretty negligible.

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

A big difference is Blair's magnet is heavily Asian which is not part of the cohort. Further, Blair is the largest high school in MCPS so a propportionally larger percentage of its magnet are also in-boundary. The previous post was correct in stating the magnet's impact was mininal.

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

A big difference is Blair's magnet is heavily Asian which is not part of the cohort. Further, Blair is the largest high school in MCPS so a propportionally larger percentage of its magnet are also in-boundary. The previous post was correct in stating the magnet's impact was mininal.

That’s not true, 78% of Blair’s magnet do not live IB. People conflate that most of the magnet went to Takoma middle but that is only because of its magnet program drew them in prior. Let’s not forget the whole charter of the magnet program was to raise the perception of the local school and encourage upper SES kids to self integrate a school chosen for its demographic trends. Not to enrich local kids

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True, I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W. Some people argued but the magnet which was ridiculous because it's a small program in a large school that's also mostly Asian. It goes to show that Blair envy is a real thing.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It's nice to see a direct comparison between cohorts to account for demographic differences to see how these schools to see how they really stack up. Guessing there may be two dozen out of boundary magnet students in this mix but that shouldn't really change the bigger picture by more than 20-30 points.

Yes, the grade has 100 magnet students, A dozen or more in-boundary anyway and fewer than 30 are included in this cohort so yes the impact is pretty negligible.

Perhaps, it goes to show that the same kid will do well at any school, but regardless it's fascinating that using demographic cohort as a proxy for SES differences paints a very different picture than a simple average.

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Interesting

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

A big difference is Blair's magnet is heavily Asian which is not part of the cohort. Further, Blair is the largest high school in MCPS so a propportionally larger percentage of its magnet are also in-boundary. The previous post was correct in stating the magnet's impact was mininal.

That’s not true, 78% of Blair’s magnet do not live IB. People conflate that most of the magnet went to Takoma middle but that is only because of its magnet program drew them in prior. Let’s not forget the whole charter of the magnet program was to raise the perception of the local school and encourage upper SES kids to self integrate a school chosen for its demographic trends. Not to enrich local kids

The magnet is less than 30% white which is the cohort being listed at 1326 SAT average. So what 25 out of boundary white kids at Blair out of the 300+ seniors who took the SAT that year?

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

A big difference is Blair's magnet is heavily Asian which is not part of the cohort. Further, Blair is the largest high school in MCPS so a propportionally larger percentage of its magnet are also in-boundary. The previous post was correct in stating the magnet's impact was mininal.

That’s not true, 78% of Blair’s magnet do not live IB. People conflate that most of the magnet went to Takoma middle but that is only because of its magnet program drew them in prior. Let’s not forget the whole charter of the magnet program was to raise the perception of the local school and encourage upper SES kids to self integrate a school chosen for its demographic trends. Not to enrich local kids

The levels go up and down year by year but that doesn’t mean many aren’t from the DCC. It isn’t like they are all from Bethesda

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

So, Blair: 1142
RM: 1201

The schools have different general populations. Blair has only 12.5% of its students in the magnet, while RM has 20%. Blair has 33% FARMS, RM has 19%.

A big difference is Blair's magnet is heavily Asian which is not part of the cohort. Further, Blair is the largest high school in MCPS so a propportionally larger percentage of its magnet are also in-boundary. The previous post was correct in stating the magnet's impact was mininal.

That’s not true, 78% of Blair’s magnet do not live IB. People conflate that most of the magnet went to Takoma middle but that is only because of its magnet program drew them in prior. Let’s not forget the whole charter of the magnet program was to raise the perception of the local school and encourage upper SES kids to self integrate a school chosen for its demographic trends. Not to enrich local kids

The levels go up and down year by year but that doesn’t mean many aren’t from the DCC. It isn’t like they are all from Bethesda

True but they aren’t from Blair

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True, I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W. Some people argued but the magnet which was ridiculous because it's a small program in a large school that's also mostly Asian. It goes to show that Blair envy is a real thing.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It's nice to see a direct comparison between cohorts to account for demographic differences to see how these schools to see how they really stack up. Guessing there may be two dozen out of boundary magnet students in this mix but that shouldn't really change the bigger picture by more than 20-30 points.

Yes, the grade has 100 magnet students, A dozen or more in-boundary anyway and fewer than 30 are included in this cohort so yes the impact is pretty negligible.

Perhaps, it goes to show that the same kid will do well at any school, but regardless it's fascinating that using demographic cohort as a proxy for SES differences paints a very different picture than a simple average.

Anonymous wrote:The magnet is less than 30% white which is the cohort being listed at 1326 SAT average. So what 25 out of boundary white kids at Blair out of the 300+ seniors who took the SAT that year?

Easy enough to settle this.

1526 Blair Magnet SAT average
1326 Blair SAT average score for common cohort
250 total number of kids from cohort that took SAT
25 out of boundary magnet kids in the cohort (cohort less than 30% of magnet)

(250 - 25) / 250 = 90% non-magnet cohort total
10% magnet % of cohort total

0.9x + 0.1 * 1526 = 1326
0.9x + 152.6 = 1326
0.9x = 1173.4
x = 1303.77

But even if there were 0 in boundary kids in this cohort in the magnet, Blair would still be ahead of the other HS.

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And I was not the PP who said Blair had some of the lowest scores in the county. Looking at the chart, it scores 16 points above the county average. It should be noted that, as a magnet, Blair should have some of the highest scores in the county just like RM but it doesn't.

Huh? The mean scores for the Blair magnet itself are comparable to RMIB itself.

Blair: 1531
RM: 1500

https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2020-2021-ib_insert.pdf?usp=sharing

I meant when averaged in with the rest of the schools.

DP
You're once again wrong.
Blair class of 2020-2021 average SAT is 1244
RM class of 2020-2021 average SAT is 1227