TKPK public schools vs. AUP/Tenleytown/Friendship Heights public schools

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

I agree with this. It seems that some try and talk out of both sides of their mouths with "our schools are suffering from decades of neglect and racism" and then the next sentence is "our schools are just as good as those "other" schools people pay a premium for and the people who vote with their wallets to the contrary are racists". You have to pick one side of the argument to put the racists on, it's either our schools suck because of racists or if you don't think our schools are amazing then you're a racist. It seems to me that the people who avoid TP schools are simply agreeing that the schools have more than their share of problems caused by societal problems and would like to avoid the problems you too don't like.

The argument that the schools are the same is like saying all McDonalds are the same, yes similar cohorts will get a similar lunch but their experiences will be completely different. Why would I eat lunch at the dirty one packed with landscaping crews and overrun with homeless hanging around. I don't care if it helps a small business owner, Ill pay a little bit more in gas and go to the one in the nice part of town with the classical music playing and no line since my job allows me all the time I need for lunch. That is what money is for

[Anonymous]

Is there a worse middle school in MoCo than Eastern? And TP middle is decent, how is that a thing when all the talk is about the fairness of East Vs West county. Esp after off loading the ESS kids from Piney Branch years ago which is clear why they did that, I think TP should be a little more careful about throwing gerrymandering stones in their glass house. You can change the entire make of just about any school east of Conn for the worst with just a few slight moves of a few street and many were created to maximize SFHs to there is little room to go up. Carful for what you wish for with the boundary study

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

I agree with this. It seems that some try and talk out of both sides of their mouths with "our schools are suffering from decades of neglect and racism" and then the next sentence is "our schools are just as good as those "other" schools people pay a premium for and the people who vote with their wallets to the contrary are racists". You have to pick one side of the argument to put the racists on, it's either our schools suck because of racists or if you don't think our schools are amazing then you're a racist. It seems to me that the people who avoid TP schools are simply agreeing that the schools have more than their share of problems caused by societal problems and would like to avoid the problems you too don't like.

The argument that the schools are the same is like saying all McDonalds are the same, yes similar cohorts will get a similar lunch but their experiences will be completely different. Why would I eat lunch at the dirty one packed with landscaping crews and overrun with homeless hanging around. I don't care if it helps a small business owner, Ill pay a little bit more in gas and go to the one in the nice part of town with the classical music playing and no line since my job allows me all the time I need for lunch. That is what money is for

I disagree with this. It's obvious some people have a vested interest in perpetuating this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

I agree with this. It seems that some try and talk out of both sides of their mouths with "our schools are suffering from decades of neglect and racism" and then the next sentence is "our schools are just as good as those "other" schools people pay a premium for and the people who vote with their wallets to the contrary are racists". You have to pick one side of the argument to put the racists on, it's either our schools suck because of racists or if you don't think our schools are amazing then you're a racist. It seems to me that the people who avoid TP schools are simply agreeing that the schools have more than their share of problems caused by societal problems and would like to avoid the problems you too don't like.

The argument that the schools are the same is like saying all McDonalds are the same, yes similar cohorts will get a similar lunch but their experiences will be completely different. Why would I eat lunch at the dirty one packed with landscaping crews and overrun with homeless hanging around. I don't care if it helps a small business owner, Ill pay a little bit more in gas and go to the one in the nice part of town with the classical music playing and no line since my job allows me all the time I need for lunch. That is what money is for

I disagree with this. It's obvious some people have a vested interest in perpetuating this nonsense.

Yes! Anyone with any sense ignores it.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

That what 80% of the posters who post with glee about the boundary study are thinking. Basically we have nothing to lose by shuffling the deck so redeal. Even if it only lowers the good schools reputation they win as it closes the real estate gap which is what most people really care about. There was a thread about Woodside Park how it deserved to go to BCC from Einstein

Why the eye-roll? BCC is closer to Woodside Park than Einstein is. (So is Blair.) Aren't you the people who keep saying geography should be prioritized?

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

That what 80% of the posters who post with glee about the boundary study are thinking. Basically we have nothing to lose by shuffling the deck so redeal. Even if it only lowers the good schools reputation they win as it closes the real estate gap which is what most people really care about. There was a thread about Woodside Park how it deserved to go to BCC from Einstein

Why the eye-roll? BCC is closer to Woodside Park than Einstein is. (So is Blair.) Aren't you the people who keep saying geography should be prioritized?

No they only say that when it works out in their favor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

I agree with this. It seems that some try and talk out of both sides of their mouths with "our schools are suffering from decades of neglect and racism" and then the next sentence is "our schools are just as good as those "other" schools people pay a premium for and the people who vote with their wallets to the contrary are racists". You have to pick one side of the argument to put the racists on, it's either our schools suck because of racists or if you don't think our schools are amazing then you're a racist. It seems to me that the people who avoid TP schools are simply agreeing that the schools have more than their share of problems caused by societal problems and would like to avoid the problems you too don't like.

The argument that the schools are the same is like saying all McDonalds are the same, yes similar cohorts will get a similar lunch but their experiences will be completely different. Why would I eat lunch at the dirty one packed with landscaping crews and overrun with homeless hanging around. I don't care if it helps a small business owner, Ill pay a little bit more in gas and go to the one in the nice part of town with the classical music playing and no line since my job allows me all the time I need for lunch. That is what money is for

I disagree with this. It's obvious some people have a vested interest in perpetuating this nonsense.

What part exactly do you disagree with? New to conversation and while curt and entitled it speaks to a fairly coherent stance that most if not many people take on the issue. The subject isn’t black and white and you’re not right just because you want to be.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a worse middle school in MoCo than Eastern? And TP middle is decent, how is that a thing when all the talk is about the fairness of East Vs West county. Esp after off loading the ESS kids from Piney Branch years ago which is clear why they did that, I think TP should be a little more careful about throwing gerrymandering stones in their glass house. You can change the entire make of just about any school east of Conn for the worst with just a few slight moves of a few street and many were created to maximize SFHs to there is little room to go up. Carful for what you wish for with the boundary study

Exactly. Some crazy person has been in here threatening to tell the BOE to start busing between PG County and MCPS because she thinks that east county schools are segregated. They're not. Maybe they're not as poor as PG County schools but that's not segregation. I'm a little worried that someone on the BOE will think this is an idea worth investigating.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a worse middle school in MoCo than Eastern? And TP middle is decent, how is that a thing when all the talk is about the fairness of East Vs West county. Esp after off loading the ESS kids from Piney Branch years ago which is clear why they did that, I think TP should be a little more careful about throwing gerrymandering stones in their glass house. You can change the entire make of just about any school east of Conn for the worst with just a few slight moves of a few street and many were created to maximize SFHs to there is little room to go up. Carful for what you wish for with the boundary study

Exactly. Some crazy person has been in here threatening to tell the BOE to start busing between PG County and MCPS because she thinks that east county schools are segregated. They're not. Maybe they're not as poor as PG County schools but that's not segregation. I'm a little worried that someone on the BOE will think this is an idea worth investigating.

You must be so relieved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a worse middle school in MoCo than Eastern? And TP middle is decent, how is that a thing when all the talk is about the fairness of East Vs West county. Esp after off loading the ESS kids from Piney Branch years ago which is clear why they did that, I think TP should be a little more careful about throwing gerrymandering stones in their glass house. You can change the entire make of just about any school east of Conn for the worst with just a few slight moves of a few street and many were created to maximize SFHs to there is little room to go up. Carful for what you wish for with the boundary study

Exactly. Some crazy person has been in here threatening to tell the BOE to start busing between PG County and MCPS because she thinks that east county schools are segregated. They're not. Maybe they're not as poor as PG County schools but that's not segregation. I'm a little worried that someone on the BOE will think this is an idea worth investigating.

You must be so relieved.

What do you mean?

[Anonymous]

Where do you work in DC? The commute between Takoma Park and DC during rush hour sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you work in DC? The commute between Takoma Park and DC during rush hour sucks.

I live near the metro in Takoma Park and work near Chinatown. It takes me under 20 minutes by subway to get to work.

[Anonymous]

You can’t always take public transportation when you have to get kids from point A to B. Downtown DC to Takoma Park is a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can’t always take public transportation when you have to get kids from point A to B. Downtown DC to Takoma Park is a nightmare.

What are you talking about? Takes 20 mins by car. I commute by metro and it’s 12 mins to Union station.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t always take public transportation when you have to get kids from point A to B. Downtown DC to Takoma Park is a nightmare.

What are you talking about? Takes 20 mins by car. I commute by metro and it’s 12 mins to Union station.

+1. It's never been a problem for me.