TKPK public schools vs. AUP/Tenleytown/Friendship Heights public schools

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

OK but why do Silver Spring have to put up with those issues why Bethesda doesn't?????? That is what the boundary study going fix and then Takoma Park will have the 10 out of 10 schools

Because those issues are caused in and by Silver Spring not Bethesda. The real question is, why should Bethesda import Silver Spring's problems?

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Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

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Sure. Keep that 7th grade argument going.

I mean, if you think Brown v. Board of Education is a 7th grade argument then you're and even worse racist than I thought.

You're trying to conflate Brown v Board of Ed to busing students between Prince Georges and MoCo? Yep. 7th grade arguments.

Race-integration busing in the United States (also known as simply busing or by its critics as forced busing) was the practice of assigning and transporting students to schools within or outside their local school districts in an effort to diversify the racial make-up of schools. While the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional, many American schools continue to remain largely uni-racial due to housing inequality. In an effort to address the ongoing de facto segregation in schools, the 1971 Supreme Court decision, Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, ruled that the federal courts could use busing as a further integration tool to achieve racial balance.

This sounds like just the thing to solve segregation in the Takoma Park/Langley Park area.

If in this alternate version of reality the boundaries between PG and MoCo were eliminated and the point was to desegregate and/or increase the diversity in each county’s schools, the answer wouldn’t be to change the demographics of the already diverse and non segregated DCC schools, it would be for PG County kids to be bused to Whitman and Churchill, where the schools are lacking in diversity and some would say segregated, and vice versa.

You claim DCC schools are already diverse. But when compared with western PG schools they are not very diverse at all. And yes, it would make schools like Whitman and Churchill more diverse to have PG Co kids bused there but I don't think PG County parents would want their kids bused that far. TPES and MS are right there though.

Of course they are. DCC schools are more diverse than either western MoCo or western PG schools are.

Even if that was true, do you support keeping PG County schools segregated when Takoma Park has an abundance of perfectly good white kids it could send to PG County schools?

You can’t be serious. Why wouldn’t Moco not send “perfectly good white kids” from Bethesda or Potomac? You’re ridiculous and clearly a troll.

One of the four factors of the boundary policy, is proximity. It is not as high a priority as diversity but it's still a factor. Conversely, Takoma Park is right there. In fact, in case you didn't know, back in 1997, segregationist Marc Elrich lead the secession effort to break Takoma Park away from predominantly black Prince George's County and merge it with predominantly white Montgomery County. Elrich said, "I would have died if people in Montgomery County had voted to move to Prince George's," Elrich said. "There is a perceived difference that Montgomery County has better schools, better services and higher property values." Talk about white flight.

Or that the poorest parts of TP don't even go to the same school zone. wonder why Flower Ave is the line

The only place where Flower is a school boundary line is between New Hampshire Estates/Oak View and Highland View in an area that isn't even in Takoma Park. What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Oh but if they did!

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

That was another poster, and I have no interest in "fixing" TP schools and couldn't care less about GS ratings.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

Or, MoCo taxpayers shovel millions of dollars per year toward MCPS schools. And MCPS spends more of this money on schools which need greater support.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

That was another poster, and I have no interest in "fixing" TP schools and couldn't care less about GS ratings.

They'll be fixed by integrating with western PG county schools. Desegregate MCPS!

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

Or, MoCo taxpayers shovel millions of dollars per year toward MCPS schools. And MCPS spends more of this money on schools which need greater support.

Thank you for agreeing with me that UMC parents are not hoarding resources here in MoCo but are rather quite generous by giving to MCPS far more than the schools their children receive.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

Or, MoCo taxpayers shovel millions of dollars per year toward MCPS schools. And MCPS spends more of this money on schools which need greater support.

Thank you for agreeing with me that UMC parents are not hoarding resources here in MoCo but are rather quite generous by giving to MCPS far more than the schools their children receive.

The "hoarding resources" comment was on a different thread you've been polluting, not this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

Actually, TKPK progressives subsidize wealthy West county residents but keep telling yourself the opposite. TKPK city taxes pay for police, fire and libraries etc you know the stuff they already pay for with county taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

Bethesda families shovel millions of extra dollars per year toward east county schools. And now east county progressives want Bethesda to take on Silver Springs' problem kids as well. That's a terrible deal for Bethesda.

Actually, TKPK progressives subsidize wealthy West county residents but keep telling yourself the opposite. TKPK city taxes pay for police, fire and libraries etc you know the stuff they already pay for with county taxes.

Youre welcome to become unincorporated. You paying your idiot tax is directly attributed to TP wanting to manage your way around the poverty that was flooding out of DC at the time. It didn't work out as well as the other incorporated area because it is still a cheap place to live except the historic part. All that said TP is not where the any real money is at in terms of the county so your nickels mean little to the real dollars, the nicest home on the best part of the historic district cost about what the avg 3 bedroom fixer upper on a main road in Chevy Chase. That tells you a lot about supply and demand, hope your kid makes the magnet

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, neither Bethesda nor Silver Spring have their own school systems.

The idea that the boundary study will "fix" Takoma Park schools and make them 10/10 is pretty racist, as it seems to be premised on the outcome of the study being the export of lower performing kids from Takoma Park schools to other places in the county. It's pretty gross.

That what 80% of the posters who post with glee about the boundary study are thinking. Basically we have nothing to lose by shuffling the deck so redeal. Even if it only lowers the good schools reputation they win as it closes the real estate gap which is what most people really care about. There was a thread about Woodside Park how it deserved to go to BCC from Einstein

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Anonymous wrote:That area is part of a consortium giving people some choice in HS...though Blair is often considered the strongest option.

You mean the 4/10 high school is the strongest?

Yes, Blair also has 10X the National Merit Finalists, Regeneron Scholarships than the other HS. It's head and shoulders over those other schools.

Um, I don't know about that. The fact that it houses a sought-after Magnet program that is already pulling the "best" from the county, but still yields a 4/10 is pretty telling.

It's pretty telling about the uselessness of GS ratings

Considering that GS ratings rate schools on their test scores, college readiness, and how well they serve the academic development of disadvantaged student groups, I say it's pretty useful.

GS ratings are an average and simply reflect an area's average affluence or lack thereof. I found the post quoted below that used demographic cohort as a proxy to isolate for SES differences far more revealing as to how my kids might do at one school or another.

I remember reading the post that showed Blair's SAT average was 50 points higher for the largest common cohort to it and any W.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes, that's much more helpful than the GS numbers which seem to devalue economically diverse schools instead of looking deeper. Not really a shock since GS gets its funding from a real-estate industry that benefits from inflating home values.

So you think GS has an interest in inflating some values and deflating others? that's just stupid. Agents win when all houses cost more. I might buy the argument that GS reflects perceptions more than actual quality but either way it accurately reflects either the low quality or low perception of a school like Blair. I even get why TP schools struggle and the historical hill they have to climb up with disproportional packed poverty, disenfranchised populations, low parent involvement and investment but those all sound like pretty good reasons to rate something lower than a school that doesn't have any of those issues and doesn't have to cherry pick a fraction of it's students to present acceptable test scores. What I really read from your post is I wish people thought better of my school so my property values would go up and all I can say is good luck with that.

I agree with this. It seems that some try and talk out of both sides of their mouths with "our schools are suffering from decades of neglect and racism" and then the next sentence is "our schools are just as good as those "other" schools people pay a premium for and the people who vote with their wallets to the contrary are racists". You have to pick one side of the argument to put the racists on, it's either our schools suck because of racists or if you don't think our schools are amazing then you're a racist. It seems to me that the people who avoid TP schools are simply agreeing that the schools have more than their share of problems caused by societal problems and would like to avoid the problems you too don't like.

The argument that the schools are the same is like saying all McDonalds are the same, yes similar cohorts will get a similar lunch but their experiences will be completely different. Why would I eat lunch at the dirty one packed with landscaping crews and overrun with homeless hanging around. I don't care if it helps a small business owner, Ill pay a little bit more in gas and go to the one in the nice part of town with the classical music playing and no line since my job allows me all the time I need for lunch. That is what money is for