Christopher Columbus statues

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Anonymous wrote:John Basilone has his own statue. He is a Medal of Honor recipient. What if an angry mob decides he isn't worthy of a statue, and they tear it down?

From wikipedia:

A memorial statue featuring John Basilone holding a water-cooled Browning machine gun is located at the intersections of Old York Road and Canal Street in Raritan (Basilone's childhood friend Phillip Orlando sculpted the statue).

A bust of Basilone is sited at Piazza Basilone, in Little Italy San Diego, at Fir and India Streets. The war memorial there is dedicated to residents of Little Italy who served in World War II and Korea.

This list isn't very diverse. It's Americans first. If you want to focus on ethnicity and race, most of these war dead are Americans of Italian descent and Hispanic descent. That's because it's in the neighborhood where they lived. What happens if an angry mob decides to tear down and desecrate their names?

“THE BOYS THAT NEVER CAME HOME”
Sgt Jack Balisteri
US Army, WWII
1923-1944

BM2 Anthony Ballatore
US Navy, WWII
1918-1942

Pvt 1st Class Frank Birrittieri
US Army, WWII
1925-1945

Pvt Vito Busalacchi
US Army, WWII
1919-1945

MMFN Jesus “Chuey” Contreras
US Navy, WWII
1917-1942

MM3 Joe Cordileone
US Navy, WWII
1921-1942

Pvt Salvatore Corona
US Army, WWII
1924-1945

Pvt Paul Garcia
US Army, Korea
1930-1951

SN 2nd Class Roy Gonzales
US Navy, WWII
1924-1942

SPEC 4 Frank Pecoraro
US Army, Vietnam
1952-1970

SN 1st Class Charles Piro
US Navy, WWII
1924-1942

Officer Peter Quinci, P47 Pilot
US Airforce, WWII
1921-1944

[Anonymous]

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History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

That's not true. Mark Twain's novel "Huck Finn" is either censored or banned.

[Anonymous]

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You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

One proof that the you don't learn history from monuments is that the pyramids weren't built by slaves, a fact you don't seem to know, despite being aware of the pyramids existence.

Where do you think the Pharaohs got all of their money from to build the pyramids? Ancient egypt was a slave economy. They profitted immensely off of slave labor and from the slave trade. That money was used to fund construction of things like the pyramids. It's the same argument that the protesters use - that the US was built on the backs of slaves therefore we need to tear it all down. Might as well tear down the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China while we are at it. You should ask UNESCO why the entire world cherishes many sites that were built from slave labor or from societies that had a slave driven economy. Maybe we should also tear down St. Peter's Basilica too in Rome because the church has committed all sorts of bad sins throughout its history.

[Anonymous]

THIS is the best thing I've read all day - https://www.latimes.com/nation/bs-md-ci-monuments-removed-20170816-story.html

The Lee-Jackson statue was erected in 1948 after a $100,000 donation from Baltimorean J. Henry Ferguson. Ferguson’s father was a friend of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

“They were great generals and great Christian soldiers,” Ferguson said at the time.

Three thousand people, including then-Gov. William Preston Lane Jr. and Baltimore Mayor Thomas D’Alesandro Jr., attended the dedication.

“Today, with our nation beset by subversive groups and propaganda which seeks to destroy our national unity, we can look for inspiration to the lives of Lee and Jackson to remind us to be resolute and determined in preserving our sacred institutions,” D’Alesandro said at the time.

D'Alesandro was Pelosi's daddy.

[Anonymous]

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You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

One proof that the you don't learn history from monuments is that the pyramids weren't built by slaves, a fact you don't seem to know, despite being aware of the pyramids existence.

Where do you think the Pharaohs got all of their money from to build the pyramids? Ancient egypt was a slave economy. They profitted immensely off of slave labor and from the slave trade. That money was used to fund construction of things like the pyramids. It's the same argument that the protesters use - that the US was built on the backs of slaves therefore we need to tear it all down. Might as well tear down the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China while we are at it. You should ask UNESCO why the entire world cherishes many sites that were built from slave labor or from societies that had a slave driven economy. Maybe we should also tear down St. Peter's Basilica too in Rome because the church has committed all sorts of bad sins throughout its history.

When you use hyperbole, it’s you who sounds nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Italian wack job Governor Cuomo wants the statues to remain because of "heritage" reasons. Meanwhile the southern heritage can be ignored.

As a person of Italian-American descent, Columbus has never represented Italian-American culture. That would probably be a statue of pizza.

Columbus is now an integral name in North and South America. It's difficult to wipe it away.

I am wondering why Southerners can't honor other heroes in their regional culture? Why not honor with statues your great authors of American literature, like Tennessee Williams, Harpee Lee, and Alice Walker? Why not honor your Native American tribes like the Choctaw and the Seminoles with statues? Of course you could honor with statues your great leaders of the Civil Rights movement. Why not honor with statues of coal miners from Appalachia? Or honor your war dead from World War I to today with statues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the reasoning behind renaming schools and moving statues is sound, if people really believe in it, then it needs to apply across the board.

Mount Rushmore will probably go last, but it has to go too.

Never happen. We’ll have a dictatorship first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

That's not true. Mark Twain's novel "Huck Finn" is either censored or banned.

Lol. No it isn't! I am currently reading this story to my daughter each night. We got our copy from the library. The government funded public library.

[Anonymous]

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In Japan, they have swastikas EVERYWHERE, and still use big symbols for park maps to point out temples. No one gets offended. They still have WWII criminals enshrined in temples in Japan.

There is a massive 100+ foot statue of Ghengis Khan in Mongolia. They aren't tearing down Khan because he was a serial rapist and enslaved millions of people.

The pyramids still exist in Egypt and will never be torn down even though it was built with slave labor from Africa.

Tourists spend millions of dollars per year traveling all throughout South and Central America to visit ancient indigenous ruins that were built with slave labor and were used for human sacrifices of enslaved tribes that bigger civilizations like the Mayans ruled over.

The Great Wall of China was built with slave labor, you gonna tear down that World Heritage Site too?

Huge portions of the Roman Empire were built with slave labor or were entertained by slaves killing each other. Should we tear down the Colosseum because people got enjoyment of watching enslaved people kill each other in the ring?

Even Native American tribes would enslave conquered tribal people and mutilate/kill them during rituals. Let's rename all of the cities, towns, states, and even commercial products because the Native Americans owned slaves, enslaved people, and benefited economically from slaves.

Go back to your safety zones if you are going to be offended by history. History won't change for your fragile little minds, because it literally can't.

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

NP. What is wrong with being a reactionary? Conservatives can't conserve anything, so at least reactionaries are willing to fight for change.

The problem with being a reactionary is that they have no core beliefs other than "Change is bad."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

On what planet are pyramids statues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

One proof that the you don't learn history from monuments is that the pyramids weren't built by slaves, a fact you don't seem to know, despite being aware of the pyramids existence.

Where do you think the Pharaohs got all of their money from to build the pyramids? Ancient egypt was a slave economy. They profitted immensely off of slave labor and from the slave trade. That money was used to fund construction of things like the pyramids. It's the same argument that the protesters use - that the US was built on the backs of slaves therefore we need to tear it all down. Might as well tear down the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China while we are at it. You should ask UNESCO why the entire world cherishes many sites that were built from slave labor or from societies that had a slave driven economy. Maybe we should also tear down St. Peter's Basilica too in Rome because the church has committed all sorts of bad sins throughout its history.

This is America. The Egyptian pyramids and the Great Wall of China and St. Peter's aren't under our control.

Again, you sound crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

That's not true. Mark Twain's novel "Huck Finn" is either censored or banned.

Lol. No it isn't! I am currently reading this story to my daughter each night. We got our copy from the library. The government funded public library.

DP. I don't know about Huck Finn...... but, book banning is more a local issue.
And, yes, books have been banned around the country.......
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/classics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

That's not true. Mark Twain's novel "Huck Finn" is either censored or banned.

Lol. No it isn't! I am currently reading this story to my daughter each night. We got our copy from the library. The government funded public library.

DP. I don't know about Huck Finn...... but, book banning is more a local issue.
And, yes, books have been banned around the country.......
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/classics

Did you click the link? The books aren't being banned. They just aren't being purchased by some local libraries. What is scary about that?

[Anonymous]

Couldn’t the left wait until AFTER November before going off the deep end with this stuff?

It really makes you wonder if there isn’t someone behind it trying to scare people into voting for Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

That's not true. Mark Twain's novel "Huck Finn" is either censored or banned.

Lol. No it isn't! I am currently reading this story to my daughter each night. We got our copy from the library. The government funded public library.

DP. I don't know about Huck Finn...... but, book banning is more a local issue.
And, yes, books have been banned around the country.......
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/classics

Did you click the link? The books aren't being banned. They just aren't being purchased by some local libraries. What is scary about that?

I guess you didn't see the places where specific books are banned.....such as....
Slaughterhouse Five - Banned in Levittown, NY (1975), North Jackson, OH (1979), and Lakeland, FL (1982) because of the "book's explicit sexual scenes, violence, and obscene language."