Christopher Columbus statues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

I'm confused. Was America a "new place"? Many people lived there when Columbus arrived.

If you are arguing that he should be glorified for the economic benefit of his work, that might be a valid point. But Columbus is hardly unique in his economic influence.

You’re not confused. You just think you have a point yet aren’t well versed in 10000s of years of Western or Eastern Civilizations. There were a great many human accomplishments.

Trade route exploration was a new discovery for millions of Europeans, Africans and Far Easterners.

That has nothing to do with Mongoloids who crossed a land bridge millions of years ago and roamed around continents as hunters and gatherers.

I agree that Columbus's work did have a large impact on many, but he is one of many with a comparable impact. Why is is disproportionately honored over other explorers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

This has got to be a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

I’m just curious if they can even do a math proof or read the Republic or Socrates.

Human nature hasn’t changed much. And books like the Old Testament The Republic, Confuscious, and documents like the Declaration if Independence prove how many have tried to overcome the dark sides of human nature. It’s fascinating how much thought was out into things. They represent the History of Mankind.

There is a big difference between trying to "overcome the dark sides of human nature" and GLORIFYING the dark sides of human nature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

Fake news. No one is attacking all statues and history.

True. The one of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle is still standing.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile Italian wack job Governor Cuomo wants the statues to remain because of "heritage" reasons. Meanwhile the southern heritage can be ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

I’m just curious if they can even do a math proof or read the Republic or Socrates.

Human nature hasn’t changed much. And books like the Old Testament The Republic, Confuscious, and documents like the Declaration if Independence prove how many have tried to overcome the dark sides of human nature. It’s fascinating how much thought was out into things. They represent the History of Mankind.

There is a big difference between trying to "overcome the dark sides of human nature" and GLORIFYING the dark sides of human nature.

+1. Let's put up a statue to honor Judas Iscariot. He was an enterprising man. I admire his entrepreneurial spirit. Why aren't there any statues of Judas? Are you trying to erase history?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Italian wack job Governor Cuomo wants the statues to remain because of "heritage" reasons. Meanwhile the southern heritage can be ignored.

Cuomo is Italian?!?! Did he finally release his birth certificate?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

Let’s stick them on the Oregon Trail too, with a covered wagon and five objects from the 1800s of their choosing.

I’ll give them 5 days.

Is that because that's how long you'd last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

I’m just curious if they can even do a math proof or read the Republic or Socrates.

Human nature hasn’t changed much. And books like the Old Testament The Republic, Confuscious, and documents like the Declaration if Independence prove how many have tried to overcome the dark sides of human nature. It’s fascinating how much thought was out into things. They represent the History of Mankind.

No one can read Socrates, buddy, he never wrote anything.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of statues, did you see this story? Vandalism of Philadelphia Abolitionist Statue, Matthias Baldwin
https://news.yahoo.com/park-volunteer-outraged-over-vandalism-162539906.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of statues, did you see this story? Vandalism of Philadelphia Abolitionist Statue, Matthias Baldwin
https://news.yahoo.com/park-volunteer-outraged-over-vandalism-162539906.html

Yes. This is how maddened mobs act. It is similar to Trump's supporters continuing to assert that they value fiscal responsibility. Did you have a larger point?

[Anonymous]

Tear down a statue or don't tear down a statue, it makes no difference. Empty feel-good gestures accomplish nothing, but they are quick and easy. Maybe it will make you feel good, maybe someone will be fooled and pacified, mostly though it changes nothing. Don't waste your time on dead men, there are living people who need real change, not just the appearance of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

No motors, no mechanical navigation, no canned food/freezers, no electricity, etc. No roads. Plus what became most of the 13 colonies had winter. New England and upstate NY in the winter? So people like FDR, Lincoln, Churchill are supposed to be erased along with those from hundreds of years before?



The Shaw -54th Regiment monument in Boston was defaced. And what is that? AA regiment in the Civil War. These heroes
https://twitter.com/MassHumanities/status/1266022060846919682/photo/1

[Anonymous]

I would like the Washington Monument taken down because it's obelisk shape was inspired by the slave owning egyptian culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

Along those lines, then, EVERY spanish explorer statue in the country needs to be taken down. Ponce de Leon??? You're coming down. next!!