Christopher Columbus statues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is named after another European explorer, Amerigo Vespucci. Why don't we change the name?

Because America consists of many countries, none of which have the authority to change the name of the entire continent to the entire world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
In Japan, they have swastikas EVERYWHERE, and still use big symbols for park maps to point out temples. No one gets offended. They still have WWII criminals enshrined in temples in Japan.

There is a massive 100+ foot statue of Ghengis Khan in Mongolia. They aren't tearing down Khan because he was a serial rapist and enslaved millions of people.

The pyramids still exist in Egypt and will never be torn down even though it was built with slave labor from Africa.

Tourists spend millions of dollars per year traveling all throughout South and Central America to visit ancient indigenous ruins that were built with slave labor and were used for human sacrifices of enslaved tribes that bigger civilizations like the Mayans ruled over.

The Great Wall of China was built with slave labor, you gonna tear down that World Heritage Site too?

Huge portions of the Roman Empire were built with slave labor or were entertained by slaves killing each other. Should we tear down the Colosseum because people got enjoyment of watching enslaved people kill each other in the ring?

Even Native American tribes would enslave conquered tribal people and mutilate/kill them during rituals. Let's rename all of the cities, towns, states, and even commercial products because the Native Americans owned slaves, enslaved people, and benefited economically from slaves.

Go back to your safety zones if you are going to be offended by history. History won't change for your fragile little minds, because it literally can't.

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

[Anonymous]

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

[Anonymous]

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

Yes, the abolitionist thing was dumb. But that is what mobs are: wild, dumb people with nothing left to lose.

No one is banning art and books. That would be terrifying. And it 100% is not happening. They aren't banning statues of racists either. They are just kicking them out of public spaces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

No, they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America is named after another European explorer, Amerigo Vespucci. Why don't we change the name?

Because America consists of many countries, none of which have the authority to change the name of the entire continent to the entire world.

The simplest explanation is that the type of people who want to tear down statues of Columbus are relatively unfamiliar with Amerigo Vespucci. He is simply not on their radar yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

World heritage site v. 100 year old bronze statue. Hmmm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

One proof that the you don't learn history from monuments is that the pyramids weren't built by slaves, a fact you don't seem to know, despite being aware of the pyramids existence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference from a mob taking down statues, too. And, defacing them--like the statue of the abolitionist in Philly that was attacked. The mob didn't even know what it was doing.

History is history. Destroying statues doesn't change it. It might contribute to keeping us from learning from it.

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

BS.

History is literally written into the walls of the pyramids. The pyramids are a giant monument to celebrate dead pharohs who used brutal slave labor to build it. Are we gonna tear down a world heritage site that's considered a treasure of human.civilization because it used slaves?

One proof that the you don't learn history from monuments is that the pyramids weren't built by slaves, a fact you don't seem to know, despite being aware of the pyramids existence.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In Japan, they have swastikas EVERYWHERE, and still use big symbols for park maps to point out temples. No one gets offended. They still have WWII criminals enshrined in temples in Japan.

There is a massive 100+ foot statue of Ghengis Khan in Mongolia. They aren't tearing down Khan because he was a serial rapist and enslaved millions of people.

The pyramids still exist in Egypt and will never be torn down even though it was built with slave labor from Africa.

Tourists spend millions of dollars per year traveling all throughout South and Central America to visit ancient indigenous ruins that were built with slave labor and were used for human sacrifices of enslaved tribes that bigger civilizations like the Mayans ruled over.

The Great Wall of China was built with slave labor, you gonna tear down that World Heritage Site too?

Huge portions of the Roman Empire were built with slave labor or were entertained by slaves killing each other. Should we tear down the Colosseum because people got enjoyment of watching enslaved people kill each other in the ring?

Even Native American tribes would enslave conquered tribal people and mutilate/kill them during rituals. Let's rename all of the cities, towns, states, and even commercial products because the Native Americans owned slaves, enslaved people, and benefited economically from slaves.

Go back to your safety zones if you are going to be offended by history. History won't change for your fragile little minds, because it literally can't.

You are completely missing the issue. No one is "offended by history." And changing who is honored in public spaces isn't changing history. It is decided what we value as a society today.

Where are the statues of Judas Iscariot? Is he not a part of history? Are we changing history by not having a giant statue of Judas in common areas? No, of course not. You are being deliberately obtuse to try to hide the fact that you are a reactionary.

NP. What is wrong with being a reactionary? Conservatives can't conserve anything, so at least reactionaries are willing to fight for change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

History isn't learned from statues. It is learned from books. Destroying statues doesn't change history. So what exactly is your complaint?

Statues do promote learning about history. But, in any case, for various reasons, mobs should not be removing them.

Do you approve of damaging the statue of the abolitionist? Did you hear about the guy in Portsmouth whose skull was cracked bringing down a statue?

And, the statues are also art.

But, this new think coming to the fore also seems to want to ban art and books. That is scary.

No, they don't.

Why do you say that? You never have had a historical discussion after visiting any of the monuments in DC with your kids? Your kids never asked, who is that guy with the funny hat?

[Anonymous]

John Basilone has his own statue. He is a Medal of Honor recipient. What if an angry mob decides he isn't worthy of a statue, and they tear it down?

From wikipedia:

A memorial statue featuring John Basilone holding a water-cooled Browning machine gun is located at the intersections of Old York Road and Canal Street in Raritan (Basilone's childhood friend Phillip Orlando sculpted the statue).

A bust of Basilone is sited at Piazza Basilone, in Little Italy San Diego, at Fir and India Streets. The war memorial there is dedicated to residents of Little Italy who served in World War II and Korea.