Christopher Columbus statues

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https://fox4kc.com/news/columbus-statue-removed-at-tower-grove-park-in-south-st-louis/

Columbus statue was removed in south St. Louis, MO, but not by an angry mob.

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I'll be flying an Italian flag this Columbus day, for the first time ever.

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Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be flying an Italian flag this Columbus day, for the first time ever.

See how easy that was? You can find an appropriate symbol to celebrate your heritage, without diminishing others.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

Are your feelings hurt snowflake? You can erect a statue in your front yard.

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Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate exploring a new frontier and discovering new places. That was a big endeavor back then and an amazing risk that the finders, sailors, countries took for economic trade route exploration.

What were other societies doing that that point in time?

Frankly I don’t think any protestor could even survive on a tall ship for more than a week before they’d perish from lack of survival skills or work ethic. Much easier to just sit around and shout.

I'm confused. Was America a "new place"? Many people lived there when Columbus arrived.

If you are arguing that he should be glorified for the economic benefit of his work, that might be a valid point. But Columbus is hardly unique in his economic influence.

You’re not confused. You just think you have a point yet aren’t well versed in 10000s of years of Western or Eastern Civilizations. There were a great many human accomplishments.

Trade route exploration was a new discovery for millions of Europeans, Africans and Far Easterners.

That has nothing to do with Mongoloids who crossed a land bridge millions of years ago and roamed around continents as hunters and gatherers.

I agree that Columbus's work did have a large impact on many, but he is one of many with a comparable impact. Why is is disproportionately honored over other explorers?

Because the Catholic Church is organized, and Italians were discriminated against when they came to the US, and since they were organized by the church already they could easily form their own social/religious group (the Knights of Columbus) to get all kinds of pro-Columbus stuff (the holiday, the statutes) accomplished to improve the image of Italians in the US in the early 20th century.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a standard for memorialization. It can’t be perfection (unless it’s a statue of Jesus/Allah/etc.)—maybe the standard is being on the right side of history?

Who determines what the right side of history is? Hitler believed he was on the right side of history until the day he died.

Society does. The point of getting a statue isn't that a person was Good Enough according to some objective standard. The point of the society decides, collectively, that this person and their contributions are the kind we want to hold up as positive and worthy of emulation. The problem we have now is a combination of changing standards for a large portion of the population and the fact that the original decision to put up the statues was made without the input of people impacted by the people being commemorated. Indeed, in the case of Confederate statues they were put up by regimes that were violently oppressive of a major segment of society with the purpose of commemirating that oppression. You don't need to establish an objective standard of "progress" to justify removing those.

Oh but you do. Many of those statues were paid for by public funds. To simply tear them down without a vote because a small segment of the population “doesn’t like them” disenfranchises the voters who do. Put it to a vote and let the community decide. But don’t arbitrarily tear them down because they were confederates, or owned slaves.

Was a vote taken when they decided to put them up?

And do you know what “disenfranchised” even means? Here’s a little hint: Native Americans couldn’t vote in every state until 1962 (and they weren’t considered full US citizens until 1924!). https://www.history.com/news/native-american-voting-rights-citizenship

The difficulty with the legal aspects of Native Americans is simple: If Native American tribes have their own sovereignty, then Native Americans are not US citizens but are citizens of their own tribes. In theory, Native Americans have their own legal basis based on blood lines, which, of course, runs contrary to our notions of individual rights and equal treatment, not that we always uphold those latter ideas.

We have dual citizenship, dumbass.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

Are your feelings hurt snowflake? You can erect a statue in your front yard.

DP. Erasing history is pretty ignorant and only utter imbeciles use the term snowflake.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

Are your feelings hurt snowflake? You can erect a statue in your front yard.

DP. Erasing history is pretty ignorant and only utter imbeciles use the term snowflake.

“Erasing history”? Seriously? LOL.

You really think people will believe that crock of sh1t?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

Are your feelings hurt snowflake? You can erect a statue in your front yard.

DP. Erasing history is pretty ignorant and only utter imbeciles use the term snowflake.

“Erasing history”? Seriously? LOL.

You really think people will believe that crock of sh1t?

+1. Only idiots think statues = history. Read a book!

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There are statues to Greek gods in many places. Once upon a time, the gods were worshipped. Not now. Should we destroy them?

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Anonymous wrote:There are statues to Greek gods in many places. Once upon a time, the gods were worshipped. Not now. Should we destroy them?

Yes, the Gods treated people poorly. I watched the 80’s movie “clash of the titans”. It is clear as day.

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Anonymous wrote:There are statues to Greek gods in many places. Once upon a time, the gods were worshipped. Not now. Should we destroy them?

OMG. How many of them are in front of southern US courthouses and state houses?

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Anonymous wrote:There are statues to Greek gods in many places. Once upon a time, the gods were worshipped. Not now. Should we destroy them?

OMG. How many of them are in front of southern US courthouses and state houses?

Most actually have imagery of Justitia, Dike, Themis etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how week the leaders in this country have become. Macron makes the political hacks in this country look like complete wusses.

Are your feelings hurt snowflake? You can erect a statue in your front yard.

DP. Erasing history is pretty ignorant and only utter imbeciles use the term snowflake.

“Erasing history”? Seriously? LOL.

You really think people will believe that crock of sh1t?

+1. Only idiots think statues = history. Read a book!

Yeah when I walk past monuments, no one ever asks why they are there.