Pelvic exams on unconscious women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on this subject are bizarre to the point of being totally ignorant.

Simple rule: if you are going to get treated in a teaching hospital, be willing to have interns, residents and medical students involved in your care and treatment. If that is not acceptable to you then just don't go to a teaching hospital. A patient - male of female - has the right to be treated professionally and respectfully but to want the best treatment which may be available at teaching hospital and then expect the non-involvement of those who are there to be trained as future physicians is ridiculous.

Wow so you are excusing this just because it is a teaching hospital? Okay wow. Involved in care doesn't mean unnecessary actions I didn't agree to thank you very much, if you want to attempt a pelvic exam on me ask me while I am awake and alert and know what you are doing to my body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on this subject are bizarre to the point of being totally ignorant.

Simple rule: if you are going to get treated in a teaching hospital, be willing to have interns, residents and medical students involved in your care and treatment. If that is not acceptable to you then just don't go to a teaching hospital. A patient - male of female - has the right to be treated professionally and respectfully but to want the best treatment which may be available at teaching hospital and then expect the non-involvement of those who are there to be trained as future physicians is ridiculous.

Exhibit A of an arrogant, obnoxious medical student. Awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the posts on this subject are bizarre to the point of being totally ignorant.

Simple rule: if you are going to get treated in a teaching hospital, be willing to have interns, residents and medical students involved in your care and treatment. If that is not acceptable to you then just don't go to a teaching hospital. A patient - male of female - has the right to be treated professionally and respectfully but to want the best treatment which may be available at teaching hospital and then expect the non-involvement of those who are there to be trained as future physicians is ridiculous.

Wow so you are excusing this just because it is a teaching hospital? Okay wow. Involved in care doesn't mean unnecessary actions I didn't agree to thank you very much, if you want to attempt a pelvic exam on me ask me while I am awake and alert and know what you are doing to my body.

Just get your treatment at a community hospital. Problem solved!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

Except that family is not allowed in the OR. So you wouldn’t have prevented this anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

So, what do you suggest, to accompany your loved one into the OR and hang out there during surgery?

Why not? You don't have to see the actual surgery.

I think the point is that you’re not allowed into the OR, dummy.

Perhaps you're too young to remember when fathers weren't allowed to stay with their wives in the delivery rooms, you Twit Doctor. (Don't deny who you are.) Lol.

That’s a delivery, not a surgery.

-not a doctor, twit or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

So, what do you suggest, to accompany your loved one into the OR and hang out there during surgery?

Why not? You don't have to see the actual surgery.

I think the point is that you’re not allowed into the OR, dummy.

Perhaps you're too young to remember when fathers weren't allowed to stay with their wives in the delivery rooms, you Twit Doctor. (Don't deny who you are.) Lol.

This is for 11:32, the md troll who thinks he's God.
Hope you know where you can go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

So, what do you suggest, to accompany your loved one into the OR and hang out there during surgery?

Why not? You don't have to see the actual surgery.

I think the point is that you’re not allowed into the OR, dummy.

Perhaps you're too young to remember when fathers weren't allowed to stay with their wives in the delivery rooms, you Twit Doctor. (Don't deny who you are.) Lol.

That’s a delivery, not a surgery.

-not a doctor, twit or otherwise.

Cesareans are MAJOR surgery, Twit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a time when the husband would decide whose life the doctor would save during childbirth, mother or baby. My parents told us about it. It was Dads choice.

That's because the mothers were knocked out during delivery and so couldn't be asked.

This. This entire discussion reminds me of twilight birth that was done in the mid 1900s. Women couldn't consent to forceps, couldn't consent to anything and were handcuffed to the bed while doctors delivered their babies. It all stopped when men started being present in birthing rooms.

I absolutely 100% would never want to be alone in a hospital setting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a time when the husband would decide whose life the doctor would save during childbirth, mother or baby. My parents told us about it. It was Dads choice.

That's because the mothers were knocked out during delivery and so couldn't be asked.

The women were awake when they came in! Wives didn't have the same rights in a marriage. Husbands could decide if the wife or childs life was more valuable, it was male doctors offering the life or death choice to the man. My mother is still furious when she talks about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

Except that family is not allowed in the OR. So you wouldn’t have prevented this anyway.

Exactly! A perfect example of the shocking ignorance being displayed on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a time when the husband would decide whose life the doctor would save during childbirth, mother or baby. My parents told us about it. It was Dads choice.

That's because the mothers were knocked out during delivery and so couldn't be asked.

The women were awake when they came in! Wives didn't have the same rights in a marriage. Husbands could decide if the wife or childs life was more valuable, it was male doctors offering the life or death choice to the man. My mother is still furious when she talks about it.

Yes, of course they were awake when they came in. They were knocked out for delivery, which is when the "which life" question would arise. This was an era before anything like advance consent existed.

A woman could refuse the general anesthesia. My grandmother had six kids and all but one, her second, were delivered without. This was in the forties and fifties. In the one case, she was furious for years the doctor refused to respect her preference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER
leave your loved one ALONE in a hospital!

You NEVER know WHAT they're doing to them.
Hospitals are NOT safe places.

Just saying the truth.
Buyer BEWARE.

So, what do you suggest, to accompany your loved one into the OR and hang out there during surgery?

Why not? You don't have to see the actual surgery.

I think the point is that you’re not allowed into the OR, dummy.

Perhaps you're too young to remember when fathers weren't allowed to stay with their wives in the delivery rooms, you Twit Doctor. (Don't deny who you are.) Lol.

That’s a delivery, not a surgery.

-not a doctor, twit or otherwise.

Cesareans are MAJOR surgery, Twit.

For 11:41.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a time when the husband would decide whose life the doctor would save during childbirth, mother or baby. My parents told us about it. It was Dads choice.

That's because the mothers were knocked out during delivery and so couldn't be asked.

This. This entire discussion reminds me of twilight birth that was done in the mid 1900s. Women couldn't consent to forceps, couldn't consent to anything and were handcuffed to the bed while doctors delivered their babies. It all stopped when men started being present in birthing rooms.

I absolutely 100% would never want to be alone in a hospital setting.

We are all alone in the OR, except for the nurses who work under the doctors. Not sure nurses can do much if a doctor is abusing you under anesthesia.