Pelvic exams on unconscious women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

I swear you women are off your rockers! I'm all #metoo and all that but reading this thread, I realize how many man-hating bitches there are on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

[Anonymous]

I think all women suspicious of men should give home birth and do their own surgery. For god sake, don't be so fast to make generalization of the entire population of hard working physicians over one article or some random anonymous post. I get that there are bad apples out there, but there are plenty of good people too. If you make yourselves look like lunatics, then no one is going to take you seriously. And if you're just going to assume every man is a rapist, you need to relook at the people in your lives -- your father, brother, sons, uncles and cousins. Are you saying if they had a choice, they all be rapist and take advantage of a woman? I, for one, do not think that would be the case. We keep vigilant but that does not mean we make sweeping accusations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

I swear you women are off your rockers! I'm all #metoo and all that but reading this thread, I realize how many man-hating bitches there are on DCUM.

Stand by your man Mrs. Surgeon. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

I am the PP you responded to. I agree with what you say, but some nutso woman is going to go on there and say that those two physicians in your life are likely lying to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

I swear you women are off your rockers! I'm all #metoo and all that but reading this thread, I realize how many man-hating bitches there are on DCUM.

Stand by your man Mrs. Surgeon. Lol.

I stand by people who make sense.

[Anonymous]

I seriously cannot understand people defending this practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

I am the PP you responded to. I agree with what you say, but some nutso woman is going to go on there and say that those two physicians in your life are likely lying to you.

I am just amazed at the claptrap posted here.

I know physicians at teaching hospitals who make it clear that residents WILL be involved in the care of the patient and if the patient is not comfortable with their involvement s/he should find another doctor. How exactly does the next generation of doctors get trained if patients forbid residents and medical students to participate in their care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

I am the PP you responded to. I agree with what you say, but some nutso woman is going to go on there and say that those two physicians in your life are likely lying to you.

I am just amazed at the claptrap posted here.

I know physicians at teaching hospitals who make it clear that residents WILL be involved in the care of the patient and if the patient is not comfortable with their involvement s/he should find another doctor. How exactly does the next generation of doctors get trained if patients forbid residents and medical students to participate in their care?

In the near future computers will replace human doctors. Looking forward to that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

I swear you women are off your rockers! I'm all #metoo and all that but reading this thread, I realize how many man-hating bitches there are on DCUM.

Stand by your man Mrs. Surgeon. Lol.

I stand by people who make sense.

Or who gaslight well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

I am the PP you responded to. I agree with what you say, but some nutso woman is going to go on there and say that those two physicians in your life are likely lying to you.

I am just amazed at the claptrap posted here.

I know physicians at teaching hospitals who make it clear that residents WILL be involved in the care of the patient and if the patient is not comfortable with their involvement s/he should find another doctor. How exactly does the next generation of doctors get trained if patients forbid residents and medical students to participate in their care?

The point is CONSENT explicitly to multiple pelvic exams while unconscious. You are just okay with people doing whatever they want with your body?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

I think many male doctors are afraid of being accused of doing something they did not. Imagine your son being a doctor and was giving a woman an exam. He accidentally brushes his elbow over a woman's breast and next thing you know she accuses him of sexual assault. With the nurse there, he has a witness that can defend him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I seriously cannot understand people defending this practice.

I don't defend this practice and think it's awful. At the same time, I do not believe just because you are put asleep in the OR of a teaching hospital and have a male doctor that you will be assaulted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

I'm sure your DH wouldn't tell you about any sexual assaults he was involved in on the job. Lol

I swear you women are off your rockers! I'm all #metoo and all that but reading this thread, I realize how many man-hating bitches there are on DCUM.

Stand by your man Mrs. Surgeon. Lol.

I stand by people who make sense.

Or who gaslight well.

I think you have trust issues. You must not have had a good male role model in your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is making me wonder about every doctor, male or female, that I know. Did they do this!?

I'm glad I didn't know about this before the surgery I had recently. Non-gynological, thank goodness.

I have almost always chosen women doctors for myself and kids, but for specialists, I have had some men. My current cardiologist is excellent and took precautions I hadn't even thought to ask about - for my first exam with him he brought a nurse in, who just quietly stood against the wall to be witness. I have no idea if it is legally required or not, but I appreciated it.

Had a conversation with hubby (who is a surgeon) and some of his surgeon friends. No one had known of this practice in the OR, where they had unfettered access to touch, grope, feel a woman. When I mentioned this, they were quite surprised and shocked. They said the only time they had "access" to look/touch at a female or male in such manner was if there were volunteers (note: not patients) who knowingly permitted it but they said this was few and far. FWIW, hubby and his friends are not OBGYNs so I cannot comment on what transpires there.

Two physicians in my family - both anesthesiologists working at teaching hospitals - and they said in all their years they had never witnessed anything such as is described. Yes, internal examinations may take place but it would be limited to one or two residents at the most and it would be under supervision.

I am the PP you responded to. I agree with what you say, but some nutso woman is going to go on there and say that those two physicians in your life are likely lying to you.

Wait - so these two doctors said it DID happen but was limited to just one or two doctors or students performing the pelvic exams without consent? So because it is just one or two that's ok? No - it is still sexual assault. Basically you are saying the doctors in your family confirmed that they HAVE seen women getting pelvic exams while unconscious without their consent