An interesting article about MCPS student population

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the PPs who keep crying 'RACISM!!' at this thread, I'd like to hear more from you.

Do you think that the problems of overcrowding/large class sizes/portable classrooms are not actually an issue? What schools are you kids at that they do not face these problems?

Do you think the county is developing in a responsible manner?

1. They certainly aren't an issue at our school. We are actually a touch under capacity, although using all of our available classrooms.

2. No, actually. I think the county is developing too much too quickly, and severely underestimating how many apartment dwellers will have school-aged kids.

WTF-- are they some sort of new and dangerous species?

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Anonymous wrote:To all the PPs who keep crying 'RACISM!!' at this thread, I'd like to hear more from you.

Do you think that the problems of overcrowding/large class sizes/portable classrooms are not actually an issue? What schools are you kids at that they do not face these problems?

Do you think the county is developing in a responsible manner?

I hate to break it to you, but the issues of overcrowding and county development is one thing. However, the RACIST responses(it's all the fault of illegals, I can look at a person and know if they are an immigrant and/or an illegal immigrant, immigrants don't want to assimilate) are an entirely different matter.
If you cannot tell the difference, or fail to be able to discuss topic number 1 without being racist, then that is your problem.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the PPs who keep crying 'RACISM!!' at this thread, I'd like to hear more from you.

Do you think that the problems of overcrowding/large class sizes/portable classrooms are not actually an issue? What schools are you kids at that they do not face these problems?

Do you think the county is developing in a responsible manner?

1. They certainly aren't an issue at our school. We are actually a touch under capacity, although using all of our available classrooms.

2. No, actually. I think the county is developing too much too quickly, and severely underestimating how many apartment dwellers will have school-aged kids.

WTF-- are they some sort of new and dangerous species?

No. It's just a phrase. The new apartments (where folks will dwell) are high-end luxury flats. There will be school-aged kids living there, but the county seems to be counting on them all being taken by young singles and childless couples.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

I think people gloss over there are two takoma parks. The cute walkable historic part near ish to the metro and the rest of it. Only the cute part is really enjoying any resuragence, the rest is the poster child to what is happening to the rest of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

I live in TP near Sligo Park and have noticed that prices are going up even though we are 1.5 miles from the metro. There is not much inventory but the 5 houses that sold within the last year in my immediate neighborhood were bought by young white families in the $500-750K range. I am 1 of 5 AA's in a 3 block radius in which 3 are interracial families. There are 2 Asian families. I checked the latest census data for my neighborhood track and the Hispanic population is 4%. For the city of TP the Hispanic population is 14.5% and concentrated toward the TP/PG County boundary (Langley Park). I think the demographics won't change much or become slightly whiter because of the proximity to DC, higher taxes, and limited ability to build new housing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

People that chose North Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Clarksburg, etc... may not have wanted a walkable urban lifestyle but that is what is being shoved down everyone's throats. I know when I moved here 14yrs ago, it was to move to the SUBURBS. The growth in the area is absurd. High rise condo/apartments up and down 355. Gaithersburg used to be farmland and they are doing nothing but build build. And it isn't single family homes on 1/4 acre lots. It is mega mansions on 1/8 acre lot or rows of town homes or blocks of condos. An area that a normal suburb would have maybe 40 homes now has at least 100 homes. And the county continues to say apartment dwellers do not have school aged kids. So condos and apartments yield ZERO child growth when they attempt to figure out how many kids will be at a school in say 5 years. This is because the developers do not want to pay for schools so they continue the "non child dwelling" building and they line the pockets of those doing the surveys. It is such as scam. It is so overcrowded. 10 years and our elementary school went from 2 open classrooms to 8 portables outside. People want to move to areas that have homes in normal spaces of 1/4 acre or more. Howard County has that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To all the PPs who keep crying 'RACISM!!' at this thread, I'd like to hear more from you.

Do you think that the problems of overcrowding/large class sizes/portable classrooms are not actually an issue? What schools are you kids at that they do not face these problems?

Do you think the county is developing in a responsible manner?

1. They certainly aren't an issue at our school. We are actually a touch under capacity, although using all of our available classrooms.

2. No, actually. I think the county is developing too much too quickly, and severely underestimating how many apartment dwellers will have school-aged kids.

WTF-- are they some sort of new and dangerous species?

I'm not the PP, but developers always claim that all these condos and townhouses are for empty nesters or for young single people. They say there will be no kids, so they don't need to provide for schools.

Allows the county to increase development without the corresponding increase in schools. Leads to even more overcrowding.

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People that chose North Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Clarksburg, etc... may not have wanted a walkable urban lifestyle but that is what is being shoved down everyone's throats. I know when I moved here 14yrs ago, it was to move to the SUBURBS. The growth in the area is absurd. High rise condo/apartments up and down 355. Gaithersburg used to be farmland and they are doing nothing but build build. And it isn't single family homes on 1/4 acre lots. It is mega mansions on 1/8 acre lot or rows of town homes or blocks of condos. An area that a normal suburb would have maybe 40 homes now has at least 100 homes. And the county continues to say apartment dwellers do not have school aged kids. So condos and apartments yield ZERO child growth when they attempt to figure out how many kids will be at a school in say 5 years. This is because the developers do not want to pay for schools so they continue the "non child dwelling" building and they line the pockets of those doing the surveys. It is such as scam. It is so overcrowded. 10 years and our elementary school went from 2 open classrooms to 8 portables outside. People want to move to areas that have homes in normal spaces of 1/4 acre or more. Howard County has that.

I'm a PP in this thread and I am with this poster 1000%!

As an aside, if there are any groups currently working in MoCo to try to curtail some of this rampant and unchecked development, I'd love to hear more about them.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

+1

There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

Guess what? Your standard of living is going down. It's happening now in Bethesda and Potomac. Meanwhile they're improving Silver Spring, Wheaton and elsewhere so soon we'll all have equivalent standards of living.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

I agree. I live in ch ch md and am pretty happy with the public schools. The idea that we or any of our neighbors would "flee" to Howard County is ludicrous. Close to zero crime, great public transport links to DC, good stores and amenities....love it here.

The Town of Chevy Chase is an incorporated municipality. They have their own mayor, police, etc. Your experience does not compare to that of the vast majority of MoCo residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person that still has faith in MCPS?

Yes. You haven't spoken to any MCPS officials lately, have you? It is truly frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that a lot of white families had kids in MCPS and those kids graduated. And the majority of new arrivals to the county have not been white. Therefore white numbers went down and others went up.

I see this in my own neighborhood. Most of my white neighbors are older couples - emptynesters. Every time one of them moves out - a non-white family moves in.

Just for the record this is my post above - and stating these facts does not make me a racist. In fact, we are a family of color that moved into the neighborhood too. I was just trying to answer the question that OP posed. Trying to figure out why demographics are changing does not make you racist. It makes you curious.

Not the PP but want to echo this sentiment. I posted above and we are also a mixed race family. I am very curious about the changing demographics also. Not racist but interested in seeing what the patterns are. And I am absolutely not thrilled about the urbanization of MoCo. Not because I'm worried about other people of color, but because I'm concerned about school overcrowding and crime/safety. I don't love seeing every square inch of MoCo being covered by high density housing without much thought given to the school and traffic issues that will result.

Then please write Floreen and Leggett this weekend. Things are a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:SES is strongly correlated to race and that's why some people make the jump to racisim

it's not true. All any family wants is the best education for their child and the higher SES you go the better the educational experience. Thats just a fact

We left MCPS for private and it appears many of the most affluent families are African American. They want positive role models for their kids. It's the Jack & Jill club!

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Anonymous wrote:SES is strongly correlated to race and that's why some people make the jump to racisim

it's not true. All any family wants is the best education for their child and the higher SES you go the better the educational experience. Thats just a fact

We left MCPS for private and it appears many of the most affluent families are African American. They want positive role models for their kids. It's the Jack & Jill club!

We have one in private and the entire school is diverse but positive. Many families are actually of African decent and they don't want their kids assimilated with the AA culture. They are straight up work hard, play hard. Rich as heck.