Guesses - will government open by late Oct?

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Anonymous wrote:A government shutdown won’t disrupt our Thanksgiving or Christmas so both parties are welcome to do nothing as far as I’m concerned.

Right. Because it’s all about you. Selfish ass.

Why should anyone not impacted by a government shutdown care?

How are you not impacted? It’s an incredible waste of money - very, very expensive. So if you’re a tax payer you’re affected.

Again, how is the average American impacted?

Last shut down shrank the economy in a way which it never fully recovered from. Worse economy, worse for everyone.

But on a practical note, when food inspectors leave because they don’t work without getting paid - they have bills too - you are more likely to get sick from an outbreak.

When health experts leave, you are more likely to catch some obscure random disease coming from abroad because nobody monitors the spread and takes measures.

When people making and guarding the nukes have to peace out to pay the bills that is very bad news for everyone (even if none of them get tempted by foreign governments, less security for nukes is not good.)

If you have elderly relatives, they don’t get SSN checks because those workers can’t afford to go without pay and now your mother in law moves in with you.

You like closed borders? Well all the ICE people have bills too and they can’t work for free so they leave and now MS-13 is out to play.

Federal agents investigating and preventing terrorism? They got bills too, they leave? Not good.

Oh, this goes long enough we can’t figure out how to pay our military and have to pull back carriers or w/e and China sees it as a sign of weakness and invades Taiwan which is a global war (even if we somehow decide to sit it out, Taiwan is the main place for super advanced semiconductors which we need for all our cutting edge electronics)

And so on and so forth. You don’t need to plan to fly for the holidays to see how this is a bad idea if it’s a long shut down.

None of this is current happening, nor will it. Anything else?

How long do you think people will work without pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some simple ways that people that are not federal employees are impacted.
Friend living in PA - their school planned an overnight trip to Washington DC, with a plan to visit multiple Smithsonian museums. Guess what’s closed? Smithsonian museums. The school is scrambling to change the hotel reservations so they can make the trip at a later date.
Friend has vacation planned (air travel) in November. He is greatly concerned about FAA impact and minimally manned ATC Towers.
Recently discharged veterans will not receive veteran benefits until after the shutdown, and after the backlog is processed.
Newly retired people will need to wait to receive SS benefits.
Visitor centers at most national parks are closed.
Places that have a large amounts of military or federal workers are economically impacted as federal workers and military families stop eating out and curtail their consumer spending.
Most people living in a civilized society know that for a society to be successful you need to care about the good of the entire society - not just your inner circle.

Ummm.

Read the post above yours.

In your mind you think average = most people, when it is an AVERAGE. Only 6% of Americans are 35-39. 6% are 16-19. 6% are 60-64. Do you actually understand averages?
And again, most people can understand impact outside of their tiny tiny bubble. I know people impacted. And I don’t have to reach very far outside of my bubble. I care about the overall economy.
Shouting “But COVID LOCKDOWNS” is not an effective counterpoint. COVID lockdowns were horrible for our economy. So was 9/11. So was the tech bubble. None of these negate the impact of a the current shutdown. Are you intentionally obtuse?

I said “extended” COVID lockdowns. Initially they were necessary. State politics extended many of them beyond their actual usefulness.

I love your clarification above. Obviously there was an intent-meaning gap.

I can understand impact outside my life, but that doesn’t mean it impacts me. I feel terribly for starving toddlers in Gaza. It doesn’t impact my life. I certainly can’t be politically moved in either direction by it. Control what you can control. This shutdown hasn’t impacted anyone I know. Our bills still arrive and payments go out. I still need to get my truck inspected this month. Cable still works. I’m sitting in my office making money. FICA is still coming out of my checks.

All I’ve seen referenced here are hypothetical potential consequences and very narrow, non-applicable examples that won’t impact a statistically large portion of the population.

I understand this forum is a rage incubator but the rest of America isn’t on your program.

If this shutdown extends past Thanksgiving how will it definitely impact a 40-year-old nurse at the University of Kansas hospital?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some simple ways that people that are not federal employees are impacted.
Friend living in PA - their school planned an overnight trip to Washington DC, with a plan to visit multiple Smithsonian museums. Guess what’s closed? Smithsonian museums. The school is scrambling to change the hotel reservations so they can make the trip at a later date.
Friend has vacation planned (air travel) in November. He is greatly concerned about FAA impact and minimally manned ATC Towers.
Recently discharged veterans will not receive veteran benefits until after the shutdown, and after the backlog is processed.
Newly retired people will need to wait to receive SS benefits.
Visitor centers at most national parks are closed.
Places that have a large amounts of military or federal workers are economically impacted as federal workers and military families stop eating out and curtail their consumer spending.
Most people living in a civilized society know that for a society to be successful you need to care about the good of the entire society - not just your inner circle.

Ummm.

Read the post above yours.

In your mind you think average = most people, when it is an AVERAGE. Only 6% of Americans are 35-39. 6% are 16-19. 6% are 60-64. Do you actually understand averages?
And again, most people can understand impact outside of their tiny tiny bubble. I know people impacted. And I don’t have to reach very far outside of my bubble. I care about the overall economy.
Shouting “But COVID LOCKDOWNS” is not an effective counterpoint. COVID lockdowns were horrible for our economy. So was 9/11. So was the tech bubble. None of these negate the impact of a the current shutdown. Are you intentionally obtuse?

I said “extended” COVID lockdowns. Initially they were necessary. State politics extended many of them beyond their actual usefulness.

I love your clarification above. Obviously there was an intent-meaning gap.

I can understand impact outside my life, but that doesn’t mean it impacts me. I feel terribly for starving toddlers in Gaza. It doesn’t impact my life. I certainly can’t be politically moved in either direction by it. Control what you can control. This shutdown hasn’t impacted anyone I know. Our bills still arrive and payments go out. I still need to get my truck inspected this month. Cable still works. I’m sitting in my office making money. FICA is still coming out of my checks.

All I’ve seen referenced here are hypothetical potential consequences and very narrow, non-applicable examples that won’t impact a statistically large portion of the population.

I understand this forum is a rage incubator but the rest of America isn’t on your program.

If this shutdown extends past Thanksgiving how will it definitely impact a 40-year-old nurse at the University of Kansas hospital?

I feel terribly for the toddlers in Gaza and it does impact my life. I’ve protested all businesses that support Israel. I can’t sleep at night bc I’m haunted by images I see online. I am VERY politically moved by it. You purport to have empathy but true empathy isn’t a feeling, it’s action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where can I see whether the Senate is voting?

I just refresh The Hill or Politico.

For example, yesterday, it was 5:30 PM (ET). Today, it's 2:30 PM (ET).

What's the rhyme or reason behind exactly when the gauntlet is thrown down?

Failed for the 9th time.
I don't know when the next vote will be. Some time tomorrow, but I have no idea how they decide what time of day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A government shutdown won’t disrupt our Thanksgiving or Christmas so both parties are welcome to do nothing as far as I’m concerned.

Right. Because it’s all about you. Selfish ass.

Why should anyone not impacted by a government shutdown care?

How are you not impacted? It’s an incredible waste of money - very, very expensive. So if you’re a tax payer you’re affected.

Again, how is the average American impacted?

Last shut down shrank the economy in a way which it never fully recovered from. Worse economy, worse for everyone.

But on a practical note, when food inspectors leave because they don’t work without getting paid - they have bills too - you are more likely to get sick from an outbreak.

When health experts leave, you are more likely to catch some obscure random disease coming from abroad because nobody monitors the spread and takes measures.

When people making and guarding the nukes have to peace out to pay the bills that is very bad news for everyone (even if none of them get tempted by foreign governments, less security for nukes is not good.)

If you have elderly relatives, they don’t get SSN checks because those workers can’t afford to go without pay and now your mother in law moves in with you.

You like closed borders? Well all the ICE people have bills too and they can’t work for free so they leave and now MS-13 is out to play.

Federal agents investigating and preventing terrorism? They got bills too, they leave? Not good.

Oh, this goes long enough we can’t figure out how to pay our military and have to pull back carriers or w/e and China sees it as a sign of weakness and invades Taiwan which is a global war (even if we somehow decide to sit it out, Taiwan is the main place for super advanced semiconductors which we need for all our cutting edge electronics)

And so on and so forth. You don’t need to plan to fly for the holidays to see how this is a bad idea if it’s a long shut down.

None of this is current happening, nor will it. Anything else?

How long do you think people will work without pay?

Federal employee morale has been in the toilet since January. I can’t imagine people will work without pay for long, but who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are some simple ways that people that are not federal employees are impacted.
Friend living in PA - their school planned an overnight trip to Washington DC, with a plan to visit multiple Smithsonian museums. Guess what’s closed? Smithsonian museums. The school is scrambling to change the hotel reservations so they can make the trip at a later date.
Friend has vacation planned (air travel) in November. He is greatly concerned about FAA impact and minimally manned ATC Towers.
Recently discharged veterans will not receive veteran benefits until after the shutdown, and after the backlog is processed.
Newly retired people will need to wait to receive SS benefits.
Visitor centers at most national parks are closed.
Places that have a large amounts of military or federal workers are economically impacted as federal workers and military families stop eating out and curtail their consumer spending.
Most people living in a civilized society know that for a society to be successful you need to care about the good of the entire society - not just your inner circle.

Ummm.

Read the post above yours.

In your mind you think average = most people, when it is an AVERAGE. Only 6% of Americans are 35-39. 6% are 16-19. 6% are 60-64. Do you actually understand averages?
And again, most people can understand impact outside of their tiny tiny bubble. I know people impacted. And I don’t have to reach very far outside of my bubble. I care about the overall economy.
Shouting “But COVID LOCKDOWNS” is not an effective counterpoint. COVID lockdowns were horrible for our economy. So was 9/11. So was the tech bubble. None of these negate the impact of a the current shutdown. Are you intentionally obtuse?

I said “extended” COVID lockdowns. Initially they were necessary. State politics extended many of them beyond their actual usefulness.

I love your clarification above. Obviously there was an intent-meaning gap.

I can understand impact outside my life, but that doesn’t mean it impacts me. I feel terribly for starving toddlers in Gaza. It doesn’t impact my life. I certainly can’t be politically moved in either direction by it. Control what you can control. This shutdown hasn’t impacted anyone I know. Our bills still arrive and payments go out. I still need to get my truck inspected this month. Cable still works. I’m sitting in my office making money. FICA is still coming out of my checks.

All I’ve seen referenced here are hypothetical potential consequences and very narrow, non-applicable examples that won’t impact a statistically large portion of the population.

I understand this forum is a rage incubator but the rest of America isn’t on your program.

If this shutdown extends past Thanksgiving how will it definitely impact a 40-year-old nurse at the University of Kansas hospital?

Since it has zero impact on you and you obviously don’t care about anyone outside your nuclear family, why are you even commenting? Seriously?
This thread was not intended to be a “rage incubator”. The title says it all - guesses when it will end. Those of us that do care can discuss what we think. So if you don’t care, why are you commenting and introducing the rage you claim to hate? No point in you guessing because you don’t care.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think we’re ever “reopening.” I think DT and friends will keep the parts they hate shutdown and just bring certain functions back online as they need like in DHS, DoD or elsewhere. Everyone else not excepted will be permanently furloughed. They may eventually pay excepted employees but that’s about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think we’re ever “reopening.” I think DT and friends will keep the parts they hate shutdown and just bring certain functions back online as they need like in DHS, DoD or elsewhere. Everyone else not excepted will be permanently furloughed. They may eventually pay excepted employees but that’s about it.

This appears to be the plan.

[Anonymous]

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If this shutdown extends past Thanksgiving how will it definitely impact a 40-year-old nurse at the University of Kansas hospital?

https://fox4kc.com/news/kansas-to-lose-nearly-4-billion-in-medicaid-funding-under-trumps-bill-report/amp/

her job is going to start sucking a lot more. her health insurance premiums are going to go up a lot more, and she may not even be able to be seen at her own hospital. her friends will start losing their jobs as rural hospitals collapse. she probably won't be able to fly home for the holiday even if she can get leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If this shutdown extends past Thanksgiving how will it definitely impact a 40-year-old nurse at the University of Kansas hospital?

https://fox4kc.com/news/kansas-to-lose-nearly-4-billion-in-medicaid-funding-under-trumps-bill-report/amp/

her job is going to start sucking a lot more. her health insurance premiums are going to go up a lot more, and she may not even be able to be seen at her own hospital. her friends will start losing their jobs as rural hospitals collapse. she probably won't be able to fly home for the holiday even if she can get leave.

That’s a link about Kansas City, MO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

https://fox4kc.com/news/kansas-to-lose-nearly-4-billion-in-medicaid-funding-under-trumps-bill-report/amp/

her job is going to start sucking a lot more. her health insurance premiums are going to go up a lot more, and she may not even be able to be seen at her own hospital. her friends will start losing their jobs as rural hospitals collapse. she probably won't be able to fly home for the holiday even if she can get leave.

All these things will happen by the end of the year to a nurse at a university hospital in Topeka?

[Anonymous]

We still arguing to keep covid aca extensions? Did covid start up again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A government shutdown won’t disrupt our Thanksgiving or Christmas so both parties are welcome to do nothing as far as I’m concerned.

Right. Because it’s all about you. Selfish ass.

Why should anyone not impacted by a government shutdown care?

Why care about anything then? Let there be anarchy!

That’s not an answer. I care about things that impact me, my family and friends.

The entire MAGA belief system in one sentence.

It’s not MAGA. I’m not MAGA. Trump is doing some ridiculous stuff. I can’t control that.

The majority of Americans aren’t feeling the shutdown. People care about their bubble. Democrats care about their bubble. Do I care if good people get riffed? Of course. Does that somehow ripple into my life? I sure haven’t seen it yet. So, why should I get worked up about a government pissing match?

I get that. I don’t get why you are on this thread.

[Anonymous]

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/16/virginia-representative-james-walkinshaw-shutdown-30-days

Well, Walkinshaw says until November - and says that his constituents support the shutdown, which I suspect is a lie because his district has lots of Feds and military. His office was absolutely dismissive when we called and I deeply regret voting for him.

[Anonymous]

I work in a mission essential group operating as usual. Government staff and all contractors within our large organization are getting paid.

Same story for friends working for Pentagon or DoD.

I asked if and when our funding would run out and my director laughed. I just received approval for additional funding to support a critical program, off cycle.