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Anonymous
NP- I’m not even sure what this poster is trying to say? Who is the sad one- the person who cares about things beyond their immediate effect on themselves? Or the person who only cares about the people in their immediate circle? |
Anonymous
Because 70% of employees are working without pay! No shutdown here… |
Anonymous
I am the person that they’re responding to and I don’t understand the comment either. Regardless, I stand by the fact that the notion of only looking after your own and not caring about things that don’t directly impact you is how we got to where we are now. I care deeply about others and I’m very worried about folks who are not being paid and are worried that they won’t be able to feed their families, because I have a young family too and am capable of empathy (even though we are not directly affected by the shutdown). If that offends you, take a good look in the mirror. |
Anonymous
None of this is current happening, nor will it. Anything else? |
Anonymous
The roads are already terrible. They weren’t being fixed pre-shutdown. |
Anonymous
| Housing is very expensive nowadays (both in the DMV and also a lot of other areas). A lot of federal employees will start to have real difficulties with rent and mortgage payments if this drags on for 4+ weeks. Shutdown loans are only straightforward if you already happen to bank at an institution that offers them which is not true for most people. |
Anonymous
Spotted somebody from outside the DMV! One constant in this area is roadwork. But to be very clear because I think a lot of people misunderstand this - the road crews are not feds. The money cones from fed-administered programs. So you are talking about 2026 and 2027 repairs and transit not getting funding because people were furloughed in 2025. |
Anonymous
It's already happening. There's no convincing someone who's so dug in they can't look around them. |
Anonymous
The longer the shutdown goes on, the longer all of these are more likely to happen. Or can you not think more than an hour ahead and have issues with object permanence? The original discussion centered around was in response to this dragging through Thanksgiving and Christmas. Of course, if they reopen in the next couple of weeks none of these hypotheticals will happen. But if it keeps going on and on and on, yeah people will leave because they have bills they cannot pay while working for free. If you like to live in a place with no or minimal government, there are places in the world like that. By a funny coincidence, they all happen to be hellholes. |
Anonymous
Let's start with the angry air traffic controllers working without pay and calling in sick. We can move onto TSA and the meat inspectors doing the same. The closed National Parks, the unprocessed new Social Security claims for the 4 million Americans who turn 67 this year, unpaid Medicare bills that cut off funds for the many doctors who treat Medicare patients, the coffee shops near federal buildings, towns near military bases, late tax refund checks that people can't use for remodeling their homes, any business in the DMV that has federal employees as customers. In an economy, no man is an island. |
Anonymous
Remember, we’re talking about the average American.
Only 3-4% of Americans fly every month. We’re three weeks into a shutdown. Less than half of Americans fly annually. The average American isn’t feeling it. I fly in and out of DCA at least monthly. I haven’t felt the shutdown yet. I have 4 trips between now and Thanksgiving. I’m worried about weather, not ATCs.
Every issue with TSA and meat inspectors I can remember happened outside government shutdowns. Until something happens during this shutdown it’s just hypothetical handwringing.
Seriously? The average American doesn’t come close to visiting a NP monthly.
The average age in the U.S. is 38.7 years.
Doctors aren’t what I’d call average Americans. They’ll be fine.
This shutdown will never impact small businesses the way WFH has. The extended COVID lockdown was the original Grim Reaper.
Not everyone owns a home and it isn’t exactly tax season.
See WFH and COVID above.
Almost everyone here is likeminded so groupthink is real. Think average American, not your bubble. |
Anonymous
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Here are some simple ways that people that are not federal employees are impacted.
Friend living in PA - their school planned an overnight trip to Washington DC, with a plan to visit multiple Smithsonian museums. Guess what’s closed? Smithsonian museums. The school is scrambling to change the hotel reservations so they can make the trip at a later date. Friend has vacation planned (air travel) in November. He is greatly concerned about FAA impact and minimally manned ATC Towers. Recently discharged veterans will not receive veteran benefits until after the shutdown, and after the backlog is processed. Newly retired people will need to wait to receive SS benefits. Visitor centers at most national parks are closed. Places that have a large amounts of military or federal workers are economically impacted as federal workers and military families stop eating out and curtail their consumer spending. Most people living in a civilized society know that for a society to be successful you need to care about the good of the entire society - not just your inner circle. |
Anonymous
Ummm. Read the post above yours. |
Anonymous
In your mind you think average = most people, when it is an AVERAGE. Only 6% of Americans are 35-39. 6% are 16-19. 6% are 60-64. Do you actually understand averages? And again, most people can understand impact outside of their tiny tiny bubble. I know people impacted. And I don’t have to reach very far outside of my bubble. I care about the overall economy. Shouting “But COVID LOCKDOWNS” is not an effective counterpoint. COVID lockdowns were horrible for our economy. So was 9/11. So was the tech bubble. None of these negate the impact of a the current shutdown. Are you intentionally obtuse? |
Anonymous
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Where can I see whether the Senate is voting?
I just refresh The Hill or Politico. For example, yesterday, it was 5:30 PM (ET). Today, it's 2:30 PM (ET). What's the rhyme or reason behind exactly when the gauntlet is thrown down? |