Guesses - will government open by late Oct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep it closed. Let Trump continue to (legally) cut useless agencies.

He's not doing anything legally but SCOTUS will make it legal after the fact. Republicans feel they've won, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep it closed. Let Trump continue to (legally) cut useless agencies.

He's not doing anything legally but SCOTUS will make it legal after the fact. Republicans feel they've won, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

So, his actions are legal. Thanks for clarifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep it closed. Let Trump continue to (legally) cut useless agencies.

He's not doing anything legally but SCOTUS will make it legal after the fact. Republicans feel they've won, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

How it is a Pyrrhic victory? I don’t see any losses to the republicans. It’s just a victory after the fact even though it wouldn’t have been a victory under rule of law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep it closed. Let Trump continue to (legally) cut useless agencies.

He's not doing anything legally but SCOTUS will make it legal after the fact. Republicans feel they've won, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

So, his actions are legal. Thanks for clarifying.

Years ago, I (a white woman) was apartment hunting in the city while living with my parents in the suburbs. My dad (a lawyer) gave me pepper spray to carry. I looked it up - it was illegal to use pepper spray in my state. When I told my dad that, he said “use it if you need to and worry about the law afterward.” I happen to know a (now retired) representative whose daughter is my age. Somehow at some point this came up and he said he use to tell his daughter the same thing. This doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have been breaking the law if we’d used pepper spray. It means these two men - fully knowledgeable of the law - assumed courts wouldn’t punish their families if they broke it.

Having the courts retroactively let you off the hook doesn’t make something was legal at the time you did it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope. It will be shut down until mid November, and then we'll see who blinks first at the approach of Thanksgiving.

This is my thinking, too. Thanksgiving is the earliest it will open.

[Anonymous]

According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

lol. How? Dems are suddenly going to vote yes on cloture they’ve now rejected how many times? 10? They convene at 3:00 today. I’m not holding my breath.

The shutdown isn’t even mentioned on the landing page of WaPo anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

lol. How? Dems are suddenly going to vote yes on cloture they’ve now rejected how many times? 10? They convene at 3:00 today. I’m not holding my breath.

The shutdown isn’t even mentioned on the landing page of WaPo anymore.

+1. Also there are no media reports of them even having substantive discussions on a resolution let alone an agreement.

[Anonymous]

This was advanced by a Republican, any chance excepted workers could get paid?

https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/10/20/new-legislation-would-provide-immediate-pay-to-some-federal-employees-during-the-shutdown/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If democrats fold will gop even vote to open govt? The small govt to drown in a bathtub is taking shape as we speak.

Keeping 70% “open” while shutdown was mistake.

I say keep it shut. We don’t need it.

You don’t need your social security income? Clean air? Food inspected? Air traffic control?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep it closed. Let Trump continue to (legally) cut useless agencies.

He's not doing anything legally but SCOTUS will make it legal after the fact. Republicans feel they've won, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

So, his actions are legal. Thanks for clarifying.

Years ago, I (a white woman) was apartment hunting in the city while living with my parents in the suburbs. My dad (a lawyer) gave me pepper spray to carry. I looked it up - it was illegal to use pepper spray in my state. When I told my dad that, he said “use it if you need to and worry about the law afterward.” I happen to know a (now retired) representative whose daughter is my age. Somehow at some point this came up and he said he use to tell his daughter the same thing. This doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have been breaking the law if we’d used pepper spray. It means these two men - fully knowledgeable of the law - assumed courts wouldn’t punish their families if they broke it.

Having the courts retroactively let you off the hook doesn’t make something was legal at the time you did it.

Prosecutor here. Your dad was right. The common law doctrine of necessity would probably apply here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was advanced by a Republican, any chance excepted workers could get paid?

https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/10/20/new-legislation-would-provide-immediate-pay-to-some-federal-employees-during-the-shutdown/

Why would any democrats vote for this instead of the CR?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

lol. How? Dems are suddenly going to vote yes on cloture they’ve now rejected how many times? 10? They convene at 3:00 today. I’m not holding my breath.

The shutdown isn’t even mentioned on the landing page of WaPo anymore.

If the White House said that, it means GOP is likely to give in. You can’t speak for the other side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

lol. How? Dems are suddenly going to vote yes on cloture they’ve now rejected how many times? 10? They convene at 3:00 today. I’m not holding my breath.

The shutdown isn’t even mentioned on the landing page of WaPo anymore.

If the White House said that, it means GOP is likely to give in. You can’t speak for the other side.

Same problem- they’ve voted many times on the Dem version that extends ACA subsidies and turned that down flat each time as well. So unless there’s some new bill coming forward with a compromise, which seems unlikely given the lack of discussion between the sides, I don’t get how they declare it’s likely to end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to Kevin Hassett, who serves as White House Economic Advisor, the shutdown is “likely” to end sometime this week.

lol. How? Dems are suddenly going to vote yes on cloture they’ve now rejected how many times? 10? They convene at 3:00 today. I’m not holding my breath.

The shutdown isn’t even mentioned on the landing page of WaPo anymore.

If the White House said that, it means GOP is likely to give in. You can’t speak for the other side.

Same problem- they’ve voted many times on the Dem version that extends ACA subsidies and turned that down flat each time as well. So unless there’s some new bill coming forward with a compromise, which seems unlikely given the lack of discussion between the sides, I don’t get how they declare it’s likely to end.

My visit to Florida back in 2021 when I visited a Golf Course community full of early retirees mainly from NY and most worked in Finance and lived in six figure homes, had six figure 401ks and drove BMW and Mercedes convertibles and all loved they got almost free medical due to ACA subsidies. Without it they might have to work instead of getting drunk and playing golf all day at 58 year old. Glad to see the rallies this weekend to support them.