Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

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What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

OP -- it's been 4 days.
You're being ridiculous to hold anyone to anything they say right now.
4 days.
Almost irresponsible of you to post and then be triggered with responses, any responses ... after only 4 days.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

To the end of making people see how harmful this is, and hopefully choosing something better next time

We're all just stupid optimists like that

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

You need time to grieve? Has your life been so vanilla and soft that this election’s results suddenly make you wake up to people having daily challenges in this world? I don’t have the luxuries to wallow in sorry and suddenly right now start to support the ACLU. Where have you been? Asleep this entire time.

I voted for Harris, but the privilege and sanctimony I am getting from my friends and neighbors is insane. Have you never had any awareness before? Never before felt a call to action? Worried about injustices or people suffering in regular everyday ways? Seriously. I don’t have time to “grieve”. I have to go to work, raise my kids, keep my marriage working, keep my health in check (because I’m disabled), and just keep doing what I have been doing.

I guess better late than never.

Oh shut up. The vast majority of us who are grieving this election are exhausted exactly because we have busy lives with jobs to do and kids to raise and bills to pay.

Maybe re-examine your own prejudices that you think all Dems are so rich and elite that they only sit around thinking about politics. More like, we understand how politics can effect or lives and the lives of other people and vulnerable people. Stop trying to validate the "flood of shit" that the GOP put out there to discredit Dems and create their false narratives to fool voters into thinking the GOP, the REAL party of the elite and American oligarchs, gives two shits about working class and middle class people.

I JUST CANT EVEN WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ANYMORE.

I’m not a republican and I have never voted for Trump. But I am so glad you feel entitled to able-splain things to me. We can have different opinions and that’s ok. I find it very disingenuous that people now claim they’re so upset to the point of needing to grieve and suddenly take action when the same problems have been here all along. Again, where have you been? And I don’t think Trump or any of his wackadoodle policies are going to help anyone besides Musk, Bezos and the like. Put your money where your mouth is and finally get involved. Quit crying. Do something.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

They will not be the first in line to suffer. They are protected by front line after line of poor people, marginalized people, immigrants. If you don’t understand that, you are sticking your head in the sand. The people who are going to start suffering first are the very people you allegedly voted to protect. And now you are wishing them ill.

Non-college educated people and Latinos voted for Trump. So. Not wishing them ill - wishing for them exactly what they voted for. May it be as good as they hoped.

This is totally disingenuous. I’m as anti Trump as anyone and as angry as anyone. Lots of Latinos voted for Trump, sure, but Latinos are not the culprit or the reason he was elected. And majority of Latinos still didn’t vote for Trump. It was 46% of Latinos who voted for Trump.

Blame non college educated people, fine. But STFU about Latinos. Anyone who voted Trump is part of the problem but I’m so sick of hearing that it’s Latinos fault trump was elected.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

They will not be the first in line to suffer. They are protected by front line after line of poor people, marginalized people, immigrants. If you don’t understand that, you are sticking your head in the sand. The people who are going to start suffering first are the very people you allegedly voted to protect. And now you are wishing them ill.

Non-college educated people and Latinos voted for Trump. So. Not wishing them ill - wishing for them exactly what they voted for. May it be as good as they hoped.

This is totally disingenuous. I’m as anti Trump as anyone and as angry as anyone. Lots of Latinos voted for Trump, sure, but Latinos are not the culprit or the reason he was elected. And majority of Latinos still didn’t vote for Trump. It was 46% of Latinos who voted for Trump.

Blame non college educated people, fine. But STFU about Latinos. Anyone who voted Trump is part of the problem but I’m so sick of hearing that it’s Latinos fault trump was elected.

It's only been four days. You're going to get *a lot* more sick of hearing about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/09/trump-latino-hispanic-vote-election

The raucous early morning celebration in Miami’s Little Havana neighborhood was of a magnitude not seen since the Cuban dictator Fidel Castro died eight years previously. In the immigrant-saturated suburb of Westchester, too, Latinos partied beyond daybreak as Donald Trump’s return to the White House was confirmed.

Wednesday morning’s revelry in south Florida reflected a stunning victory for Trump in the previously solid blue, Hispanic-majority county of Miami-Dade that had not been won by a Republican presidential candidate in more than 30 years.

His victory, fueled largely by support from Latino and Hispanic voters, particularly Latino men, was repeated in county after county in swing states as the Democrats’ blue wall crumbled and it became clear Trump would once again be president.

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In Pennsylvania, hordes of Puerto Ricans who saw their homeland demeaned as a “floating island of garbage” at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally barely a week before, flocked to give him their vote.

In Wisconsin, exit polls showed a six-point rise from 2020, to 43%, in Trump’s Hispanic support, despite his condemnation of certain immigrants as “drug dealers”, “murderers” and “rapists”, and promise to conduct the largest deportation effort in US history soon after he takes office.

And among other minority groups, Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan also seemed able to overlook Trump’s full-throated support of Israel’s military onslaught in Gaza to show up for him in large numbers. In large part, that move was as much an effort to vote against Kamala Harris as many in the Arab and Muslim American communities have expressed anger with the Biden administration – and, by extension, Harris – for its support for Israel.

Analysts, while noting that the election was only a few days ago and a full picture of voting patterns has yet to emerge, suggest a multitude of reasons why a candidate so openly hostile to immigrants would be championed by them in such large numbers.

Alas, it's not my concern anymore.

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What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

OP -- it's been 4 days.
You're being ridiculous to hold anyone to anything they say right now.
4 days.
Almost irresponsible of you to post and then be triggered with responses, any responses ... after only 4 days.

If it’s “too soon” don’t click on the thread, or read it, or post. Take a break if it’s “too soon.” But here you are.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

Well, to whatever end, it's too late now.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a Trump supporter and don’t want to hear “liberal whining or self-righteousness,” or if you are a Harris supporter and you are genuinely baffled how someone could vote for a known misogynist and racist, where do you want to go from here?

In an ideal world, do you want divisions, relationships (friends, family, neighbors, coworkers), and hurts to heal? If so, what does that look like, and what role might you play in that?

If you would rather just write off the “other side,” what do you think our country will look and feel like if everyone wants that?

Where do I want to go from here?

I want 2 countries. Trump can be in charge of a country in which everyone voted for him. They deserve it.

And then Harris can be in charge of a country in which everyone voted for her. And we can prosper. That is what I want. Totally separate countries. I don’t want to see or speak to anyone who supports Trump. All Trumpers can move to/stay in all the states that were red and all Harris voters can move to/stay in all the states that were blue. And we all live happily ever after.

That’s what I want. Is it practical? No obv not but that is my ideal. And I think it could work.

But in the real world, I think Harris voters need to focus on themselves and their own little communities for awhile—volunteer in the community, donate to charitable causes, do service projects, focus on your own family and make sure your kids have good healthcare and education so we can long term raise up a stronger generation/better than we are. The Democratic Party needs to focus on organizing and finding strong candidates early on and actually having primaries to see who people will vote for…not just hoping that people will show up and vote for any candidate you put forward.

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What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

OP -- it's been 4 days.
You're being ridiculous to hold anyone to anything they say right now.
4 days.
Almost irresponsible of you to post and then be triggered with responses, any responses ... after only 4 days.

No it’s been 8 years and we’ve shed most the scum over this years.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

To the end of making people see how harmful this is, and hopefully choosing something better next time

We're all just stupid optimists like that

That doesn’t work. As evidenced by the fact that Trump was just elected to a second term.

If this strategy worked, people would have seen how harmful Trump was last time and vowed to never do that again. Instead, we got Trump again because people are even more hateful now that before? Very quick to forget the past? Even less informed now than before? Have amnesia? I have no idea but I think it’s mostly the hate part. People are hateful and callous and selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

I haven’t read every post but see you responded to mine. I think Trump is an awful person. What I meant is I felt he would be better as a president. Morally, I thought Bill Clinton was an awful person too. As a wife, I don’t see see how Hilary could have stayed with Bill. But I can separate the person from how I think they would run our country. I think Trump would do a better job running the country than Harris. That’s why I voted for him. It was that simple.

As for my family, I think they are behaving poorly in front of their grandchildren. If you reread all of my posts, they never once are trying to cut us off or freeze us out. They just won’t stop the nonstop Trump talk. It’s been going on for months. The grandchildren don’t want to be around it and would like a little attention. OP asked how we move on and i suggested families get back to basics. For example in my situation, it would be nice for grandparents to show interest in grandchildren instead of Trump hate. No, they are not threatening to cut us off. They just want to obsess over politics when the kids don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote: I hope all the Trump voters and people who sat out the election get exactly what they chose.

Yes but then all the anti-Trump Harris voters will get that too…everyone is punished. To what end?

To the end of making people see how harmful this is, and hopefully choosing something better next time

We're all just stupid optimists like that

I’m so sick of hearing that “people just need to see how harmful Trump is and then this won’t happen again.” On Trump’s second time getting elected. If people didn’t learn that the first time, they ain’t gonna learn it now.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

Why do you think an awful person would be a good president?
It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

I haven’t read every post but see you responded to mine. I think Trump is an awful person. What I meant is I felt he would be better as a president. Morally, I thought Bill Clinton was an awful person too. As a wife, I don’t see see how Hilary could have stayed with Bill. But I can separate the person from how I think they would run our country. I think Trump would do a better job running the country than Harris. That’s why I voted for him. It was that simple.

As for my family, I think they are behaving poorly in front of their grandchildren. If you reread all of my posts, they never once are trying to cut us off or freeze us out. They just won’t stop the nonstop Trump talk. It’s been going on for months. The grandchildren don’t want to be around it and would like a little attention. OP asked how we move on and i suggested families get back to basics. For example in my situation, it would be nice for grandparents to show interest in grandchildren instead of Trump hate. No, they are not threatening to cut us off. They just want to obsess over politics when the kids don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

It’s the opposite. My kids don’t want to see their grandparents and it makes me really sad. It is not because they voted for Harris. It’s because they can’t talk about anything other than politics now and it’s exhausting. We don’t love Trump. I don’t even like him. I regret ever participating in their conversations. But come on, talk to the kids about something else. None of the grandkids can even vote!

How sad you voted for someone you didn't even like. It hasn't even been a week and you expect people to care about your stupid soccer game when the whole world is on fire and so many people are in a world of pain over this one man.

If your kids don't have any empathy than perhaps it is best they stay away from their family. Even if they can't vote your family knows you are all for Trump, the felon and sexual predator. Congrats on your victory. Hope you don't have daughters.

I liked Harris even less. You sound like my family. It’s toxic and this is the type of conversation my children have been hearing for months and are sick of. Frankly, I am sick of it too and try to change the subject.

Are you saying Trump is a better person than Vice President Harris? Trump has raped women and bragged about assaulting them. Trump calls veterans 'suckers'. He calls his opponents childish names. He gets others to do his dirty work so he can deny any involvement. He failed and continues to say the election in 202 was stolen. He has never conceded even today. Harris conceded and is planning on participating in the peaceful transfer of power. That alone should give her more respect than him.

I haven’t read every post but see you responded to mine. I think Trump is an awful person. What I meant is I felt he would be better as a president. Morally, I thought Bill Clinton was an awful person too. As a wife, I don’t see see how Hilary could have stayed with Bill. But I can separate the person from how I think they would run our country. I think Trump would do a better job running the country than Harris. That’s why I voted for him. It was that simple.

As for my family, I think they are behaving poorly in front of their grandchildren. If you reread all of my posts, they never once are trying to cut us off or freeze us out. They just won’t stop the nonstop Trump talk. It’s been going on for months. The grandchildren don’t want to be around it and would like a little attention. OP asked how we move on and i suggested families get back to basics. For example in my situation, it would be nice for grandparents to show interest in grandchildren instead of Trump hate. No, they are not threatening to cut us off. They just want to obsess over politics when the kids don’t care.

Wait what? Why would “an awful person” be a good president?