Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

You need time to grieve? Has your life been so vanilla and soft that this election’s results suddenly make you wake up to people having daily challenges in this world? I don’t have the luxuries to wallow in sorry and suddenly right now start to support the ACLU. Where have you been? Asleep this entire time.

I voted for Harris, but the privilege and sanctimony I am getting from my friends and neighbors is insane. Have you never had any awareness before? Never before felt a call to action? Worried about injustices or people suffering in regular everyday ways? Seriously. I don’t have time to “grieve”. I have to go to work, raise my kids, keep my marriage working, keep my health in check (because I’m disabled), and just keep doing what I have been doing.

I guess better late than never.

Oh shut up. The vast majority of us who are grieving this election are exhausted exactly because we have busy lives with jobs to do and kids to raise and bills to pay.

Maybe re-examine your own prejudices that you think all Dems are so rich and elite that they only sit around thinking about politics. More like, we understand how politics can effect or lives and the lives of other people and vulnerable people. Stop trying to validate the "flood of shit" that the GOP put out there to discredit Dems and create their false narratives to fool voters into thinking the GOP, the REAL party of the elite and American oligarchs, gives two shits about working class and middle class people.

I JUST CANT EVEN WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ANYMORE.

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The only reason Trump voters would extend the hand right now would be to throw us to the ground and kick us while we are down. They will ENJOY kicking us when they down. Look at the threads here and the stuff on social media. If you voted for Trump, you like what he is selling: hatred, division, lies.

Not interested.

I will do as I've always done. Be polite and respectful of people in public unless they give me a reason not to. Work as collegially as I can with coworkers without discussing religion or politics.

But if you get in my face about Trump shit, no, I am not interested in spending another minute with you. I will not affirm that dishonest and hateful world view.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

+1, some of these responses are just wild. I do not comprehend allowing yourself to be so completely taken in by our political environment that you are mourning and devastated. I know DCUM is a bit of a liberal echo chamber, but the hyperbolic responses are over the top.

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Anonymous wrote:It is politics. No one candidate is going to equally support the many issues in the exact same way as every.single. person in the U.S.
We all prioritize things differently.

+1, these people insisting that it’s not are deluding themselves because it makes them feel better to say they are morally superior.

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People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

+1, some of these responses are just wild. I do not comprehend allowing yourself to be so completely taken in by our political environment that you are mourning and devastated. I know DCUM is a bit of a liberal echo chamber, but the hyperbolic responses are over the top.

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What privileged responses.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

I do not wish ill on anyone. Where did you get that? I am mourning the lose of our country and you are minimizing it by saying i am sulky. Did you say that to your fellow Trump supporters who tried to overthrow our government?

And I don't care if you 'miss' me or not.

How can you mourn the loss of your country? Name one thing that has happened in the past few days as proof the country is ruined. Not just that Kamala lost. Not a prediction. An actual fact.

Thousands (millions?) of people all over the country got a text message telling them they’re slaves and where to report for duty. Twitter is filled with people gleefully announcing it really IS all about Project 2025. My LGBTQ kid is scared. There are three solid examples. This is just the beginning. Nobody is saying it is already ruined. We are saying the people who voted for Trump put us on a path to ruin.

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

You are the very person I do not want any interaction with. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that you want to sulk and grieve and wish ill will upon your rivals. So go on already. You won’t be missed.

I do not wish ill on anyone. Where did you get that? I am mourning the lose of our country and you are minimizing it by saying i am sulky. Did you say that to your fellow Trump supporters who tried to overthrow our government?

And I don't care if you 'miss' me or not.

How can you mourn the loss of your country? Name one thing that has happened in the past few days as proof the country is ruined. Not just that Kamala lost. Not a prediction. An actual fact.

Thousands (millions?) of people all over the country got a text message telling them they’re slaves and where to report for duty. Twitter is filled with people gleefully announcing it really IS all about Project 2025. My LGBTQ kid is scared. There are three solid examples. This is just the beginning. Nobody is saying it is already ruined. We are saying the people who voted for Trump put us on a path to ruin.

And how about all the guys saying "your body, my choice" on social media.

PP asking above why the upset, you need to wake up.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

We all f-in get it OP and how about you just chill for one f-in minute before lecturing us about elections and persuasion.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

We all f-in get it OP and how about you just chill for one f-in minute before lecturing us about elections and persuasion.

And along those lines:

Yeah/ Sorry. Not interested in engaging with MAGA at the moment. I think now is when they get to discover the consequences of their choices, and then we can talk.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

No.

Politicians and diplomats have to talk to people whose views they detest to negotiate certain agreements. It’s literally their job. We need to act professionally at work, but our work is not political.

In our private lives, there is no engaging with people who have traded core values of honesty and integrity for 30 pieces of silver (perceived, not received).

So no, I disagree with your premise.

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The people who voted for hate are now whining that they are rejected from polite society.

Should have thought of the consequences of your vote before. You made your bed.

The rest of us are happy to never engage with you again. What’s Next, you ask? Why nothing much. Everyone will go to work and school and muddle along. The pendulum will swing back after a while. We can live out our entire lives without you.

We don’t need you. Accept it.

OP here. I voted for Harris. Before that I voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama and Obama. I’m asking What’s Next because we do, in fact, actually need people who voted for Trump and red Senate candidates to change their votes. Ideally at the midterms. What do you not get about that? “We can live out our entire lives without you”…I mean, not really, if you ever want political influence and for things to go the way you want them to again.

OP, I think maybe you need to reframe your question. You asked about family/friend relationships. People are answering you. If you want to ask about Dems regaining votes, that's a separate question. Do you really think the way we will defeat the ethos of Trump is by welcoming back family members who voted for him and demonstrated bad or abusive behavior in the process? I don't think people here are responding about family members or friends who may have quietly voted for Trump and otherwise maintained healthy family/friend relationships. They are responding about the Trump voters whose behavior was too much to ignore. Going back to these people is not worth the individual costs. If they are jerks, it doesn't really matter whether it was politics or something else. You get away from jerks.

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I honestly don’t care that much about how people vote. I don’t think voting for someone is the same as being gung ho. And I think people are people.
I’m pretty partisan, but I love debating. No one has been able to give me a good defense of Trumpism. Maybe it’s out there! But generally I think it’s illogical/hard to defend.

They’re much better at critiquing democrats and other liberal institutions. But that’s the easy part imo. Like I’m waiting patiently to see if they do anything with The New College in Florida except turn it into the Fox News, more sports-focused mirror version of what they claimed was wrong with it in the first place. So far I see no evidence of that.

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People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

+1, some of these responses are just wild. I do not comprehend allowing yourself to be so completely taken in by our political environment that you are mourning and devastated. I know DCUM is a bit of a liberal echo chamber, but the hyperbolic responses are over the top.

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What privileged responses.

Alternatively these are responses from people that have a healthy perspective on politics. Some of these responses come from people that are in desperate need of an adjustment to their perspective. Take a deep breath and step away from non-stop news. Put your focus on something more productive than screaming endlessly into the abyss.