Official November Shutdown Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am hoping for a shutdown so that I can go hanging out in Miami on the tax payers' dime.

LOL, as if you were competent enough to get a federal job. Nice try, though.

I guess the LOL is on you.  The federal government shut down in 1995 for three weeks and I spent my time in Miami and had a great time.  

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gaetz already said he will give the new speaker more leeway on spending, so I think the chance of at least a CR is high. More appropriations bills on the House floor this week.

But how does Nestor feel about it all?

Sounds like the new speaker has a Nestor of his own!

On topic: I think there will be a CR until Jan. These people don't have any real vision and they have a mess to clean up after their 3 weeks of dirty laundry.

I agree: CR. Shutdowns are never smart but especially not when your party has been extra dysfunctional since the last near-miss.

[Anonymous]

I had read that Johnson was elected in part because he instilled confidence that he could avoid a shutdown.

[Anonymous]

My prediction: clean CR with no Ukraine and no Israel funding. Senate and WH will be pissed but not worth a shutdown.

[Anonymous]

House passed bill with Israel funding. Does this increase odds for shutdown on the 17th?

[Anonymous]

Johnson wants to do separate CRs. Shutdown more likely

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Johnson wants to do separate CRs. Shutdown more likely

What the heck for? That sounds complicated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:House passed bill with Israel funding. Does this increase odds for shutdown on the 17th?

I feel like it does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:House passed bill with Israel funding. Does this increase odds for shutdown on the 17th?

The House bill is a GOP bill that offsets Israel funding with cuts to IRS funding. That’s a non-starter with Dems and Schumer has already said the Senate won’t take it up. The House GOP supports funding Israel in theory, but if they demand offsetting those funds domestically, as they are now, there’s going to be a stalemate.

That’s why I think we get a CR with no Israel funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:House passed bill with Israel funding. Does this increase odds for shutdown on the 17th?

I don't see how this is relevant at all. Funding for Israel isn't controversial among Rs nor is taking money from the IRS so this just shows he can pass an easy bill. There isn't the same level of agreement on what level to fund the govt among the Rs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House passed bill with Israel funding. Does this increase odds for shutdown on the 17th?

The House bill is a GOP bill that offsets Israel funding with cuts to IRS funding. That’s a non-starter with Dems and Schumer has already said the Senate won’t take it up. The House GOP supports funding Israel in theory, but if they demand offsetting those funds domestically, as they are now, there’s going to be a stalemate.

That’s why I think we get a CR with no Israel funding.

Everyone on the Democratic side of the House aisle and in the Senate and in the White House, know this is a non-starter. Schumer has already said that the House GOP bill is DOA in the Senate.

The problem is that the $14B cut to the IRS will cost much more money. One estimate is that it will cost the US $26B and another is that it will cost $90B. Cutting the tax collection and auditing staff (which is where the money will be taken from) means that there are fewer people in those work areas and fewer audits and less tax return checking. And that means that the top 1% will be more able to defraud the government with improperly doctored tax returns, can avoid paying back taxes and penalties, tie up the the IRS with lawyers so that they don't end up paying. You get the people like Trump who paid $750 in 2017. And with staff cuts, the IRS won't be able to do anything about it.

Since Biden implemented increases in IRS staffing in the auditing and collections area, the IRS has collected ballpark $25B in back taxes, unpaid taxes and penalties since Biden entered office, which is a huge increase over how much they collected in previous years. So, the GOP House Bill will cost the federal government a lot of lost revenue. It is dead. The longer they spend trying to fend off the House GOP's terrible plan, the less time they have to work on an actual working plan. So, the House GOP pretty much just made their move for a government shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your talking points. The IRS choose to target tea party groups under Obama, so it’s no surprise the GOP doesn’t want to fund it anymore.

[Anonymous]

Since Biden implemented increases in IRS staffing in the auditing and collections area, the IRS has collected ballpark $25B in back taxes, unpaid taxes and penalties since Biden entered office

Do you have a source for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Since Biden implemented increases in IRS staffing in the auditing and collections area, the IRS has collected ballpark $25B in back taxes, unpaid taxes and penalties since Biden entered office

Do you have a source for this?

I originally heard an article/interview on WTOP, so I don't have the source. However, looking a the IRS summary for FY22:

From https://www.irs.gov/statistics/collections-activities-penalties-and-appeals#:~:text=In%20Fiscal%20Year%20(FY)%202022,transfers%20(Table%2025XLSX).

Highlights of the Data

In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, the IRS collected more than $98.4 billion in unpaid assessments on returns filed with additional tax due, net­ting about $58.8 billion after credit transfers (Table 25XLSX).

The IRS assessed nearly $23.8 bil­lion in additional taxes for returns not filed timely and collected almost $2.3 billion with delinquent returns (Table 25XLSX).

In FY 2022, taxpayers proposed 36,022 offers in compromise to settle existing tax liabilities for less than the full amount owed. IRS ac­cepted 13,165 offers, amounting to more than $234.3 million, during the year (Table 25XLSX).

I do recall that the person interviewed said that the since the increase in staffing, the IRS has collected more in back taxes than previous years, probably since the slashes to the agency in the Obama and Trump years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Since Biden implemented increases in IRS staffing in the auditing and collections area, the IRS has collected ballpark $25B in back taxes, unpaid taxes and penalties since Biden entered office

Do you have a source for this?

I originally heard an article/interview on WTOP, so I don't have the source. However, looking a the IRS summary for FY22:

From https://www.irs.gov/statistics/collections-activities-penalties-and-appeals#:~:text=In%20Fiscal%20Year%20(FY)%202022,transfers%20(Table%2025XLSX).

Highlights of the Data

In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, the IRS collected more than $98.4 billion in unpaid assessments on returns filed with additional tax due, net­ting about $58.8 billion after credit transfers (Table 25XLSX).

The IRS assessed nearly $23.8 bil­lion in additional taxes for returns not filed timely and collected almost $2.3 billion with delinquent returns (Table 25XLSX).

In FY 2022, taxpayers proposed 36,022 offers in compromise to settle existing tax liabilities for less than the full amount owed. IRS ac­cepted 13,165 offers, amounting to more than $234.3 million, during the year (Table 25XLSX).

I do recall that the person interviewed said that the since the increase in staffing, the IRS has collected more in back taxes than previous years, probably since the slashes to the agency in the Obama and Trump years.

from the 1%-ners or from you and me?