Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Sure. They have the right to trial and they are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
But, given that there is a video of her committing the crimes and they evidently caught her with the goods, the state also has a right to deny bail for those that participated in the riot and people like her who actually encouraged the rioting. Especially since there was additional rioting and looting last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Sure. They have the right to trial and they are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
But, given that there is a video of her committing the crimes and they evidently caught her with the goods, the state also has a right to deny bail for those that participated in the riot and people like her who actually encouraged the rioting. Especially since there was additional rioting and looting last night.

Were you going to put them all? When 1000’s of people overrun the stores, where are they going to go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Yeah, this is stupid. They are all on video looting, stealing, vandalizing and committing crimes. All were arrested while trying to escape stores with goods in hand. The above sentiment is why a) crime continues and b) criminals are often repeat offenders. Lock them up. Throw away the key. We do not need these people on the streets, as they are a danger to our communities.

No actually the foundation of law is not stupid in any way. Just because you don/t comprehend the how and why does not mean that we should summarily imprison people wtf. That is authoritarianism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

So bail is supposed to be pre-trial jail for people who are not rich?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Yeah, this is stupid. They are all on video looting, stealing, vandalizing and committing crimes. All were arrested while trying to escape stores with goods in hand. The above sentiment is why a) crime continues and b) criminals are often repeat offenders. Lock them up. Throw away the key. We do not need these people on the streets, as they are a danger to our communities.

No actually the foundation of law is not stupid in any way. Just because you don/t comprehend the how and why does not mean that we should summarily imprison people wtf. That is authoritarianism.

This is where the left sounds insane. No, it is not authoritarianism to jail known criminals apprehended in the act of committing a crime. These are not innocent, do-gooders. These are bad actors who on the whole have achieved billions of dollars in damages to retails institutions, many of which are now shutting permanently in certain neighborhoods. It is completely insane to me that the left are screaming that we cannot imprison criminals any more. Our cities are going to dog poo. Crime is up by over 40-50% in many places. This is not just petty left but VIOLENT crimes, including assaults, rapes, and murders, and your response is "WAAAH, we cannot jail thugs apprehended mid-crime because it is too authoritarian".

Dems have lost the plot. Sit this one out, and let the rest of us try to regain a safer country.

[Anonymous]

Do these stores realize that they themselves are symbols of oppression to disadvantaged communities? Perhaps meeting with the youth to find out how these companies can be better allies to the challenges the kids face would be better than reflexive calls to imprison them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

So bail is supposed to be pre-trial jail for people who are not rich?

Bail has been and will always be a discretionary measure. In the case of violent offenders, judges should utilize their discretion and either deny bail or set incredibly high when the perps are a danger to the communities. That's how the law works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Yeah, this is stupid. They are all on video looting, stealing, vandalizing and committing crimes. All were arrested while trying to escape stores with goods in hand. The above sentiment is why a) crime continues and b) criminals are often repeat offenders. Lock them up. Throw away the key. We do not need these people on the streets, as they are a danger to our communities.

No actually the foundation of law is not stupid in any way. Just because you don/t comprehend the how and why does not mean that we should summarily imprison people wtf. That is authoritarianism.

This is where the left sounds insane. No, it is not authoritarianism to jail known criminals apprehended in the act of committing a crime. These are not innocent, do-gooders. These are bad actors who on the whole have achieved billions of dollars in damages to retails institutions, many of which are now shutting permanently in certain neighborhoods. It is completely insane to me that the left are screaming that we cannot imprison criminals any more. Our cities are going to dog poo. Crime is up by over 40-50% in many places. This is not just petty left but VIOLENT crimes, including assaults, rapes, and murders, and your response is "WAAAH, we cannot jail thugs apprehended mid-crime because it is too authoritarian".

Dems have lost the plot. Sit this one out, and let the rest of us try to regain a safer country.

I’m liberal, pro-choice, pro-weed, I send my kids to dc public schools in SE, I fund npr and all that sht, but on this, on crime, you fks have lost the plot.

Get your criminal sympathizing headz out of your you know where or I am voting for Nikki Hailey, even though she sucks, just to prove a point. Also, if we ever got the chance to, I would vote for a criminal control board to take over in DC, similar to the financial control board enacted in the 80’s when Mayor Barry ran this city into the ground.

I’m getting really tired of so many naive, idealistic people going all bleeding heart and throwing up their hands and saying “oh! We need more money for programs not more police or arrests or actual consequences!!! It’s so unfair!!!”

Seriously, you are making this city unsafe with your willfully obtuse behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Yeah, this is stupid. They are all on video looting, stealing, vandalizing and committing crimes. All were arrested while trying to escape stores with goods in hand. The above sentiment is why a) crime continues and b) criminals are often repeat offenders. Lock them up. Throw away the key. We do not need these people on the streets, as they are a danger to our communities.

No actually the foundation of law is not stupid in any way. Just because you don/t comprehend the how and why does not mean that we should summarily imprison people wtf. That is authoritarianism.

This is where the left sounds insane. No, it is not authoritarianism to jail known criminals apprehended in the act of committing a crime. These are not innocent, do-gooders. These are bad actors who on the whole have achieved billions of dollars in damages to retails institutions, many of which are now shutting permanently in certain neighborhoods. It is completely insane to me that the left are screaming that we cannot imprison criminals any more. Our cities are going to dog poo. Crime is up by over 40-50% in many places. This is not just petty left but VIOLENT crimes, including assaults, rapes, and murders, and your response is "WAAAH, we cannot jail thugs apprehended mid-crime because it is too authoritarian".

Dems have lost the plot. Sit this one out, and let the rest of us try to regain a safer country.

I’m liberal, pro-choice, pro-weed, I send my kids to dc public schools in SE, I fund npr and all that sht, but on this, on crime, you fks have lost the plot.

Get your criminal sympathizing headz out of your you know where or I am voting for Nikki Hailey, even though she sucks, just to prove a point. Also, if we ever got the chance to, I would vote for a criminal control board to take over in DC, similar to the financial control board enacted in the 80’s when Mayor Barry ran this city into the ground.

I’m getting really tired of so many naive, idealistic people going all bleeding heart and throwing up their hands and saying “oh! We need more money for programs not more police or arrests or actual consequences!!! It’s so unfair!!!”

Seriously, you are making this city unsafe with your willfully obtuse behavior.

I only say Nikki Haley because there is literally no one at the local level who can win who is remotely centrist. We have Charles Allen, who loves criminals and we have the other progressive idiots on the council who can’t somehow see that their progressive criminal justice policies exacerbate crime. Somehow we have twisted the world upside down where we are supposed to feel for the perpetrators of crime over the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people on this thread need to pick up a history book or two. When the masses are looting, their economic situation has moved beyond desperation. More police will not solve this, but the rolling out of a guillotine has been known to improve the situation.

Cool story, Jean Val Jean, but while you’re safely ensconced in the breakfast nook of your NW home pontificating on social justice, people in the places these crimes are happening are getting robbed and raped and businesses are shuttering.

I know, I know, we need to focus on the root causes of poverty in perpetuity, not arrest anyone, and generally just allow a culture of lawlessness out of “fairness” in order to create a perfect society, but some people don’t have the luxury of the time that might take to happen.

So those folks, the ones whose packages and catalytic convertors in SE keep getting stolen, or their cars carjacked with babies inside, their puppies stolen at gunpoint, their CVSs shutdown because people walk in and slide entire shelves into garbage bags and walk out, those poor schmucks might want a little quicker response to these problems. I’m not sure if you’re aware of it, but taking violent or unrepentant criminals off the street and putting them away in jail for a while is actually a really good deterrent. Who knew? If they’re gone for a long time, places get better.

Instead of infantalizing them or being a patronizing justice warrior, perhaps we should just arrest and prosecute anyone who does bad stuff?

In this thread i have been called a SJW, a White Nationalist and everything in between. People interpret what others say through their own biases and projections.

Arrest away, in fact spend all your taxes on policing. Crime which arises from major wealth inequalities have never been resolved by brute force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

Well in America, we have this concept called "innocent until proven guilty," which requires you to have something called a "trial" to determine what we call "guilt." Until then, they are not "criminals," as they have not been convicted of any crime.

I'm not sure how you have gone this long not knowing these very basic concepts, perhaps you are new to our country? If so, maybe consider relocating to a country that better reflects your values, where indiscriminate and indefinite detention without a trial is normal. I'd suggest North Korea.

Yeah, this is stupid. They are all on video looting, stealing, vandalizing and committing crimes. All were arrested while trying to escape stores with goods in hand. The above sentiment is why a) crime continues and b) criminals are often repeat offenders. Lock them up. Throw away the key. We do not need these people on the streets, as they are a danger to our communities.

No actually the foundation of law is not stupid in any way. Just because you don/t comprehend the how and why does not mean that we should summarily imprison people wtf. That is authoritarianism.

This is where the left sounds insane. No, it is not authoritarianism to jail known criminals apprehended in the act of committing a crime. These are not innocent, do-gooders. These are bad actors who on the whole have achieved billions of dollars in damages to retails institutions, many of which are now shutting permanently in certain neighborhoods. It is completely insane to me that the left are screaming that we cannot imprison criminals any more. Our cities are going to dog poo. Crime is up by over 40-50% in many places. This is not just petty left but VIOLENT crimes, including assaults, rapes, and murders, and your response is "WAAAH, we cannot jail thugs apprehended mid-crime because it is too authoritarian".

Dems have lost the plot. Sit this one out, and let the rest of us try to regain a safer country.

It's not about being a bleeding heart, it's about understanding human behavior and seeing things as they really are. People who don't have much to lose become extremely violent.

[Anonymous]

So many fake liberals on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WTF? This is crazy. All the people arrested and released will be looting again tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day.
We need more prisons. Honestly, that's the only solution at this point. This entire population of criminals should be swept up and locked away. They have no value-add to society.

It's called BAIL. Welcome to reality. This is not new. This is not exclusive to any political party.

But setting a low ball bail is exclusive to certain ideologies. Set that crap sky high and let them sit.

+100

Serious question, how many inmates are you willing to house and feed? The average cost per inmate is $130,000 per year.