Hurricane Ian's effect on Florida voting

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Good he should be gone. Maybe he can go join a militia and storm the Capitol. Vaccine are require for the CG and Military because it is part of the units readiness.

Agree. I can promise you one thing the reason this guy isn’t getting vaccinated is his alliance to MAGA. That does not count for a adequate exemption.

Maybe he does not think the vaccine is effective? Or does no believe you should risk putting something potentially dangerous into his body that is not effective? I know some who work for the FDA who agree with him. They had to redefine what a vaccine even is in order to call these shots vaccines.

Who f’ing cares. Just because some losers think they know more vs science does not make it true. This is the same reason no one evacuated. Dan knows a friend who said the hurricane is fake and no way the water would get that high. Dan works as an Uber driver.

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I can't imagine what people like Abby were thinking and doing in the days leading up to Ian's contact with Florida. There were weather and news reports on tv, radio, internet, text communication, emails, and conversations with friends. You hear about an almost Category 5 hurricane with winds of 150 mph heading for Tampa, just 90 miles north of your home on the coast. You think you'll just hang around a beach area until someone orders you to evacuate?! 😳

Completely agree. People are stupid.

That being said, since we know people are stupid, it's time to redesign the cone drawing. People see that shape and instead of correctly interpreting it as the probable path of the storm (hence why it grows wider with time), they interpret it as the actual storm path, with its wind extension! It's a VERY common mistake. They don't bother to read the fine print that hurricane-force winds can extend beyond the cone. The communications people at National Hurricane Center need to come up with a very clear depiction of the diameter of the hurricane-force winds, *all along the projected path*. This means they need to customize the width of the cone to each hurricane. Surely they can do this very, very minor adjustment!

And then it's up to local news media to plaster the updated projections in their respective counties.

I'm inland, in Orlando, but the local news didn't plaster this at all. The narrative locally here in Orlando was that a cold weather front was going to collide with this hurricane after it went over Cuba and it was going to slow it down to a Category One before making landfall. We were originally "bracing" for tropical storm like conditions, and that's not what we got....

Granted, I prepared for a hurricane, and a hurricane is what we got. So I did my own assessment, but seriously, the models here were Category One until the previous day when the narrative became "oh crap...."

Do people in Florida not know about NOAA? I don't know what local forecasters were saying in Florida, but sitting here in Virginia, we knew that this was going to be a bad hurricane, the only question being whether it would make landfall as Cat 4 or Cat 5. I follow Tropical Tidbits for details on tropical storms and hurricanes, explained in fairly plain language.

I'm simply saying what was on the news. I was, as I said, prepared for a hurricane because I, as I said, did my own assessment. Not everyone does that, or knows to do that, or thinks they should do that because they watch the news and thinks is the most up to date and accurate information.

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I can't imagine what people like Abby were thinking and doing in the days leading up to Ian's contact with Florida. There were weather and news reports on tv, radio, internet, text communication, emails, and conversations with friends. You hear about an almost Category 5 hurricane with winds of 150 mph heading for Tampa, just 90 miles north of your home on the coast. You think you'll just hang around a beach area until someone orders you to evacuate?! 😳

Completely agree. People are stupid.

That being said, since we know people are stupid, it's time to redesign the cone drawing. People see that shape and instead of correctly interpreting it as the probable path of the storm (hence why it grows wider with time), they interpret it as the actual storm path, with its wind extension! It's a VERY common mistake. They don't bother to read the fine print that hurricane-force winds can extend beyond the cone. The communications people at National Hurricane Center need to come up with a very clear depiction of the diameter of the hurricane-force winds, *all along the projected path*. This means they need to customize the width of the cone to each hurricane. Surely they can do this very, very minor adjustment!

And then it's up to local news media to plaster the updated projections in their respective counties.

I'm inland, in Orlando, but the local news didn't plaster this at all. The narrative locally here in Orlando was that a cold weather front was going to collide with this hurricane after it went over Cuba and it was going to slow it down to a Category One before making landfall. We were originally "bracing" for tropical storm like conditions, and that's not what we got....

Granted, I prepared for a hurricane, and a hurricane is what we got. So I did my own assessment, but seriously, the models here were Category One until the previous day when the narrative became "oh crap...."

Do people in Florida not know about NOAA? I don't know what local forecasters were saying in Florida, but sitting here in Virginia, we knew that this was going to be a bad hurricane, the only question being whether it would make landfall as Cat 4 or Cat 5. I follow Tropical Tidbits for details on tropical storms and hurricanes, explained in fairly plain language.

+1 Of course. People saying otherwise either weren't paying attention, lack commonsense, chose to stubbornly remain in place, have limited abilities, are experiencing dementia, or want to make political statements from an almost Category 5 hurricane.

[Anonymous]

Wait a month. These people will still be homeless and everyone will be tired of them including the local and state politicians. The insurance companies will not pay claims or will be belly up.

Remember these areas are 98% republicans elected officials. Those officials will be working for the insurance companies and skimming off all the federal money they can.

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I can't imagine what people like Abby were thinking and doing in the days leading up to Ian's contact with Florida. There were weather and news reports on tv, radio, internet, text communication, emails, and conversations with friends. You hear about an almost Category 5 hurricane with winds of 150 mph heading for Tampa, just 90 miles north of your home on the coast. You think you'll just hang around a beach area until someone orders you to evacuate?! 😳

Completely agree. People are stupid.

That being said, since we know people are stupid, it's time to redesign the cone drawing. People see that shape and instead of correctly interpreting it as the probable path of the storm (hence why it grows wider with time), they interpret it as the actual storm path, with its wind extension! It's a VERY common mistake. They don't bother to read the fine print that hurricane-force winds can extend beyond the cone. The communications people at National Hurricane Center need to come up with a very clear depiction of the diameter of the hurricane-force winds, *all along the projected path*. This means they need to customize the width of the cone to each hurricane. Surely they can do this very, very minor adjustment!

And then it's up to local news media to plaster the updated projections in their respective counties.

I'm inland, in Orlando, but the local news didn't plaster this at all. The narrative locally here in Orlando was that a cold weather front was going to collide with this hurricane after it went over Cuba and it was going to slow it down to a Category One before making landfall. We were originally "bracing" for tropical storm like conditions, and that's not what we got....

Granted, I prepared for a hurricane, and a hurricane is what we got. So I did my own assessment, but seriously, the models here were Category One until the previous day when the narrative became "oh crap...."

Do people in Florida not know about NOAA? I don't know what local forecasters were saying in Florida, but sitting here in Virginia, we knew that this was going to be a bad hurricane, the only question being whether it would make landfall as Cat 4 or Cat 5. I follow Tropical Tidbits for details on tropical storms and hurricanes, explained in fairly plain language.

I'm simply saying what was on the news. I was, as I said, prepared for a hurricane because I, as I said, did my own assessment. Not everyone does that, or knows to do that, or thinks they should do that because they watch the news and thinks is the most up to date and accurate information.

Well other people did their own assessment and decided to stay because they did not believe the “government” agency telling them to evacuate. It looks like the local elected republican office holder did the same thing. Look conservatives do not believe in the government. This is what you get.

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By the reasoning of those of you who think the government did nothing wrong - why bother ever issuing evacuation orders? Why did Pinellas County get evacuated? Why Hillsborough? Do you think that also served no purpose?

I don't understand what you think the government is and isn't supposed to do in this kind of emergency, if you think that what they did was correct.

I suppose you also think the Uvalde police did nothing wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:By the reasoning of those of you who think the government did nothing wrong - why bother ever issuing evacuation orders? Why did Pinellas County get evacuated? Why Hillsborough? Do you think that also served no purpose?

I don't understand what you think the government is and isn't supposed to do in this kind of emergency, if you think that what they did was correct.

I suppose you also think the Uvalde police did nothing wrong?

Yes they should not have issued an evacuation order. Many republicans in Florida are upset about the amount of money being spent on this hurricane…something about being inflationary.

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Anonymous wrote:By the reasoning of those of you who think the government did nothing wrong - why bother ever issuing evacuation orders? Why did Pinellas County get evacuated? Why Hillsborough? Do you think that also served no purpose?

I don't understand what you think the government is and isn't supposed to do in this kind of emergency, if you think that what they did was correct.

I suppose you also think the Uvalde police did nothing wrong?

Yes they should not have issued an evacuation order. Many republicans in Florida are upset about the amount of money being spent on this hurricane…something about being inflationary.

So the lesson you take from this is that Florida officials should order fewer evacuations?

Huh. I don't think that's the right lesson.

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As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

Perhaps in some areas that's true. In that part of Florida, not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

Perhaps in some areas that's true. In that part of Florida, not so much.

That is just not true. Read the accounts of people who stayed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

Of course they would be offered rides to a shelter. That is never the problem. They don’t want to go to a shelter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

Perhaps in some areas that's true. In that part of Florida, not so much.

That is just not true. Read the accounts of people who stayed.

I have. I'm from Florida and have family in affected areas, Jacksonville, and Tampa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As I said earlier, from experience with flood insurance, evacuations, and disaster mitigation efforts, people are stupid about flood risk. If a place hasn’t flooded in recent memory, they think it isn’t high risk, even when the water is literally right outside their door.

Elderly people especially have to be forced to evacuate by local authorities and family members. They never want to evacuate because it is inconvenient and uncomfortable but they are likely to die horrible deaths if there is a direct hit from a major hurricane. There are also deaths after a hurricane of impaired people who survive the storm but not the power outage. It happed a few years ago in a nursing home in Florida. Already one old couple died in Florida because they had no power for their oxygen.

If I were in charge, I would send deputies to places like Sanibel and Captiva to go door to door and anyone who insisted on staying would be asked for their next of kin and handed a Sharpie to write their name and Social Security number on their leg so we could ID their body.

What if instead of doing that you went door to door and offered a ride to a safe shelter. Many of these people don't leave because it's very hard for them to do it.

Of course they would be offered rides to a shelter. That is never the problem. They don’t want to go to a shelter.

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