Almost done with freshman year! And lessons learned.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

This has been the case for eternity, re: ''kids these days are lazy''

I can’t remember kids being this rude, though.

“Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

Yeah, I’m aware of the Socrates quote too. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

Tell her to discipline them and grow a backbone.

Discipline them how? Deduct points for being jerks?

Yes. And also tell them no to having her number, no to extensions etc.

Of course — I didn’t say she grants any of these requests.

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Anonymous wrote:Not helicoptering! I needed guidance from my parents into my 30s/40s. They are smart with valuable experience and totally on my side. I trust them.

Just because a person is in college doesn’t mean they don’t need a trusted adult to help!

And, yet, those of us who by birth lottery didn't have parents who could offer guidance or support are also doing fine (and did fine in college).

I've been following this thread and am annoyed that OP was one of those parents who ignored other parent's pleas to not go ahead with housing in the fall. Our big state school town has a new ordinance that kids can't sign a lease that early, but so many parents breaking it that slumlords carry on. It's a total scarcity mindset, even though seasoned parents say their kids have found housing late spring and even summer for start of school.

OP is the weird UVa twins poster who said her underage daughter goes to bars with a fake ID.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

This has been the case for eternity, re: ''kids these days are lazy''

I can’t remember kids being this rude, though.

“Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

Yeah, I’m aware of the Socrates quote too. Thanks.

Great, now keep it in mind when you lament ''kids these days.''

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

This has been the case for eternity, re: ''kids these days are lazy''

I can’t remember kids being this rude, though.

“Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

Yeah, I’m aware of the Socrates quote too. Thanks.

Great, now keep it in mind when you lament ''kids these days.''

I don’t need to do anything. I’m well aware of the fact that the complaint isn’t new. I’m also well aware of the fact that kids are showing unacceptably rude behavior, and recognizing that it isn’t new doesn’t change the fact that it’s unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

+1 I feel so embarrassed for parents like this.

? Do you have toddlers?

IME this is great advice and not close to heli.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

This has been the case for eternity, re: ''kids these days are lazy''

I can’t remember kids being this rude, though.

“Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

Yeah, I’m aware of the Socrates quote too. Thanks.

Great, now keep it in mind when you lament ''kids these days.''

I don’t need to do anything. I’m well aware of the fact that the complaint isn’t new. I’m also well aware of the fact that kids are showing unacceptably rude behavior, and recognizing that it isn’t new doesn’t change the fact that it’s unacceptable.

At least you've confirmed that you have no self-awareness and missed the entire point.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

This has been the case for eternity, re: ''kids these days are lazy''

I can’t remember kids being this rude, though.

“Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”

Yeah, I’m aware of the Socrates quote too. Thanks.

Great, now keep it in mind when you lament ''kids these days.''

I don’t need to do anything. I’m well aware of the fact that the complaint isn’t new. I’m also well aware of the fact that kids are showing unacceptably rude behavior, and recognizing that it isn’t new doesn’t change the fact that it’s unacceptable.

At least you've confirmed that you have no self-awareness and missed the entire point.

What, exactly, is the point, in your view?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

Tell her to discipline them and grow a backbone.

If their parents had done this, she wouldn’t have to.

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Anonymous wrote:Haha wow all this discussion on helicoptering. When that comes up on this board, I always think, what a miserable human being that you have to comment on someone else’s parenting.

I just got off the phone with my DD Who called me on her way to pick up lunch. We talked about her classes, her health (she has strep), her summer job prospects, how packing to come home is going etc. I mean just normal conversation, do you people seriously not talk to your kids?

I couldn’t feel less shame for how I parent my kids and I am happy they stay in touch with me just to chat or ask my advice. I almost never call them, unless I need something urgently. I have left it up to them and they still choose to speak to me often. I am happy about that and don’t feel the least bit bad about it.

Same. My Mom and I were great friends as adults. I am a very independent adult, but I appreciated my parents’ advice as long as they were living, and I miss not having them to talk to now. I would be so sad if my kid never called and asked for my advice again. Why is that considered to be a good thing?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

Tell her to discipline them and grow a backbone.

If their parents had done this, she wouldn’t have to.

Well first of all, not every kid grows up cultured enough to understand academia or even what professors research/why they research.

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Anonymous wrote:Haha wow all this discussion on helicoptering. When that comes up on this board, I always think, what a miserable human being that you have to comment on someone else’s parenting.

I just got off the phone with my DD Who called me on her way to pick up lunch. We talked about her classes, her health (she has strep), her summer job prospects, how packing to come home is going etc. I mean just normal conversation, do you people seriously not talk to your kids?

I couldn’t feel less shame for how I parent my kids and I am happy they stay in touch with me just to chat or ask my advice. I almost never call them, unless I need something urgently. I have left it up to them and they still choose to speak to me often. I am happy about that and don’t feel the least bit bad about it.

Same. My Mom and I were great friends as adults. I am a very independent adult, but I appreciated my parents’ advice as long as they were living, and I miss not having them to talk to now. I would be so sad if my kid never called and asked for my advice again. Why is that considered to be a good thing?

That’s really not what people are talking about here. Talking to your parents and asking them for reasonable advice is different than having your parents provide basic over the counter meds for you that you could pick up at CVS.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

Are you kidding? This is the total opposite of a helicopter. I am a helicopter. My kids would not for one second be without a full stock of vitamins and meds, housing secured for the following year, and the fear of god in them for not getting strong grades.

I applaud OP because I think she is doing many things that will foster independence in her children. I can certainly learn from her.

My parents taught me to value grades well before I started college. I dealt with figuring out housing. I *think* I might have generally told them what I ended up getting each semester, but I honestly don’t remember for sure.

Basically, they helped me move in freshman year, visited me occasionally, and that was about it.

The whole idea is to prepare your kid for college beforehand, so that they can be independent when they go. They’re adults.

Np Some people mature later than others or have disabilities OR need more support than you did. If you can't understand this ask yourself why it bothers you so much when it doesn't affect your life at all. Judge not or you will be judged yourself.

DP. When excessive hand-holding into early adulthood becomes the norm, it does affect us all, and I think that’s why so many get particularly bent out of shape about this kind of stuff.

It 100 percent impacts all of us because your kids start to work for us and guess what, they are terrible employees! Because they can't figure anything out and think they are super special.

Exactly.

And lest you think “oh the kids are fine,” they are not. My sister is a professor and constantly talks about how the undergrads can’t figure out how to operate responsibly and appropriately. Just a few examples:

- 98% of them just do not read the syllabus, and therefore are constantly asking questions that would be easy to answer if they just read it

- they virtually all expect extensions on their assignments

- a kid asked her today what she did over the weekend. She said, “I worked on my book.” Kid: You’re writing a book? What is it about? Sister: (named research topic) Kid: Sounds boring.

- several kids have asked for her cell number, so they can text her questions

This is at an R1 university. Teach your kids how to act in an appropriate manner; otherwise, they’ll make fools of themselves in college.

Tell her to discipline them and grow a backbone.

If their parents had done this, she wouldn’t have to.

Well first of all, not every kid grows up cultured enough to understand academia or even what professors research/why they research.

That excuses telling a professor “your book sounds boring”?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Helicopter parent alert.

+1 I feel so embarrassed for parents like this.

+1

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Ah, too bad. I saw the OP post and thought this could have been an interesting thread.

But then the "hell no, don't be a helicopter" posters took over.
Interesting that they think they are absolutely right and mature in their parenting, but feel like they need to offer comments ridiculing those that live differently.