Friends family made cruel remarks about 4.5 yr old wearing pull-ups at night

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Anonymous wrote:Why is your five year old in a diaper? A pull up is a diaper.


I am surprised there are so many ignorant people out there who don't realize that it's a hormonal change that happens in childhood that makes you produce less urine overnight (hence not peeing all night long like you pee all day long). You can't "train" your way into that development. It just happens. For many kids, at age 2 or 3. For some kids, not until age 9. Bedwetting is SO normal, especially in boys. And there is absolutely a genetic component. It's not a behavioral issue. It's like making fun of a kid for using an inhaler and asking why he can't just breathe normally without it like everyone else. I swear, some adults are worse than kids.


Is there a hormonal or genetic reason why he can’t wear pants or shorts?

It’s flat out weird to have kids walking around in their underwear (and especially their diapers!) in front of other people.



I think it's flat out weird that you think it's weird. I would never consider travelling with another family if they weren't ok with some preschooler nudity. Are you serious? Half the kids at the playground (in the city!) in the summer are running around in their underwear under the sprinklers! There are some serious prudes out there.


I’m not a prude. I’m also not the one starting this thread complaining about the fallout of my own failure to respect my son’s privacy. Listen you can try to blame every other kid you meet for being a kid and being curious when they see something outside of the norm. You can keep setting your son up to be embarrassed. You can insist that societal norms of wearing pants shouldn’t apply to kids but the only one who will suffer is your kid.

If you think pants are optional why don’t you go outside in your underwear? Or better yet, wear some depends. See how other people respond to that.





Wow, does anyone on this board actually have an infant/toddler/preschooler? The number of people who think it's scandalous for a kid to be seen in a pull-up at bedtime...you people are nuts



Sigh. Okay keep setting up your kid to be embarrassed and teased.

Note nobody has a problem with an infant in a diaper. A 4 year old is not an infant. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.
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Anonymous wrote:Time to night train….


Or the easier solution is to buy some pajamas…

It’s weird that parading her kid in a diaper in front of family friends is the hill OP wants to die on.



I'm just speculating as I'm not the OP, but I am the mother of multiple kids under 5. I seriously doubt the OP was 'parading' her kid around in a diaper. If she has multiples, then she probably got her DS changed for bed, and was busy with other child when he happened to walk out to where everyone was gathered.

I'm not the world's worst micromanager, but I certainly wouldn't notice if one of my kids slipped out of their room while I busy with someone else.

I personally feel like this should have been a non-issue, none of my kids would have felt the need to comment on anyone's undergarments, especially a little boy in a diaper. 8th grader girl should have just kept quiet on it. It doesn't sound like it was malicious per se, but it shouldn't have been brought up at all. A 4 year old wearing a diaper for bedtime isn't at all unusual.


Except it was unusual for OP’s friends family. This would be unusual for the kids in my family and same for my husband’s family and many family friends who we’ve vacationed with. There are a people on this board who are committed to insisting that walking around in diapers a normal regular thing when it’s very out of the ordinary for most families. Does that mean I think a little kid should be shamed over it? Of course not! But his parents also have a responsibility treat it in a more private manner and not set up their kid to be embarrassed.





HIPPO, but didn't someone say the OP has more than one kid? I doubt they were 'allowing' their kid to run out without pants on. Unless she were somehow watching all her kids at the same time I feel like he likely just ran out of the room without the parents knowing, and happened to just have a diaper on.
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Anonymous wrote:Why is your five year old in a diaper? A pull up is a diaper.


I am surprised there are so many ignorant people out there who don't realize that it's a hormonal change that happens in childhood that makes you produce less urine overnight (hence not peeing all night long like you pee all day long). You can't "train" your way into that development. It just happens. For many kids, at age 2 or 3. For some kids, not until age 9. Bedwetting is SO normal, especially in boys. And there is absolutely a genetic component. It's not a behavioral issue. It's like making fun of a kid for using an inhaler and asking why he can't just breathe normally without it like everyone else. I swear, some adults are worse than kids.


Is there a hormonal or genetic reason why he can’t wear pants or shorts?

It’s flat out weird to have kids walking around in their underwear (and especially their diapers!) in front of other people.



I think it's flat out weird that you think it's weird. I would never consider travelling with another family if they weren't ok with some preschooler nudity. Are you serious? Half the kids at the playground (in the city!) in the summer are running around in their underwear under the sprinklers! There are some serious prudes out there.


I’m not a prude. I’m also not the one starting this thread complaining about the fallout of my own failure to respect my son’s privacy. Listen you can try to blame every other kid you meet for being a kid and being curious when they see something outside of the norm. You can keep setting your son up to be embarrassed. You can insist that societal norms of wearing pants shouldn’t apply to kids but the only one who will suffer is your kid.

If you think pants are optional why don’t you go outside in your underwear? Or better yet, wear some depends. See how other people respond to that.





Wow, does anyone on this board actually have an infant/toddler/preschooler? The number of people who think it's scandalous for a kid to be seen in a pull-up at bedtime...you people are nuts



Sigh. Okay keep setting up your kid to be embarrassed and teased.

Note nobody has a problem with an infant in a diaper. A 4 year old is not an infant. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.


I'm so glad I have your permission to put my infant in a diaper! Hopefully you aren't scandalized if he wears a onesie over it with *gasp* no pants
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Anonymous wrote:Why is your five year old in a diaper? A pull up is a diaper.


I am surprised there are so many ignorant people out there who don't realize that it's a hormonal change that happens in childhood that makes you produce less urine overnight (hence not peeing all night long like you pee all day long). You can't "train" your way into that development. It just happens. For many kids, at age 2 or 3. For some kids, not until age 9. Bedwetting is SO normal, especially in boys. And there is absolutely a genetic component. It's not a behavioral issue. It's like making fun of a kid for using an inhaler and asking why he can't just breathe normally without it like everyone else. I swear, some adults are worse than kids.


Is there a hormonal or genetic reason why he can’t wear pants or shorts?

It’s flat out weird to have kids walking around in their underwear (and especially their diapers!) in front of other people.



I think it's flat out weird that you think it's weird. I would never consider travelling with another family if they weren't ok with some preschooler nudity. Are you serious? Half the kids at the playground (in the city!) in the summer are running around in their underwear under the sprinklers! There are some serious prudes out there.


I’m not a prude. I’m also not the one starting this thread complaining about the fallout of my own failure to respect my son’s privacy. Listen you can try to blame every other kid you meet for being a kid and being curious when they see something outside of the norm. You can keep setting your son up to be embarrassed. You can insist that societal norms of wearing pants shouldn’t apply to kids but the only one who will suffer is your kid.

If you think pants are optional why don’t you go outside in your underwear? Or better yet, wear some depends. See how other people respond to that.





Wow, does anyone on this board actually have an infant/toddler/preschooler? The number of people who think it's scandalous for a kid to be seen in a pull-up at bedtime...you people are nuts



Sigh. Okay keep setting up your kid to be embarrassed and teased.

Note nobody has a problem with an infant in a diaper. A 4 year old is not an infant. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.


I'm so glad I have your permission to put my infant in a diaper! Hopefully you aren't scandalized if he wears a onesie over it with *gasp* no pants


I find that look somewhat trashy, as if you don’t have the time or money to put on pants, but you do you.
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Anonymous wrote:A - Young kids are not going to distinguish between pull-ups and a diaper.

B - Why is an almost 5 year old wearing a pull-up and running around in it without clothes in front of guests? I don't care if they're 'almost' family.


I should have said, but this wasn't a comment made by a 'young' kid. She's actually going to be going into high school next year. Certainly old enough to know better than to say something like that.

We weren't planning on him being in just a pull-up, he actually *did* have a shirt on, just no pants. That's generally what he wears at bedtime while we're at home, so he ended up just wandering out like that while we were helping our youngest get situated for bed.


To her, it is a diaper. A pull-up is a diaper. Perhaps it's been a long time for you, but 8th graders don't always know when "they should know better." Wait until you have an 8th grader!

Perhaps your friends were thinking the same thing but knew better not to comment.

And yes, at that age, your kid should have on pj bottoms until he gets into bed.



Honestly, I’m an adult and I can’t tell the difference just by looking at a kid walking by. Especially if they have a shirt on.


DP. And the salient reference when someone mentions a "diaper" isn't that you don't pull it up -- it's that you poop and pee in it. That's the purpose.

String bikinis are a lot more challenging to get on than velcro tabs, and you tie them on (at least the first time), not pull them up -- but that doesn't make them diapers. You don't poop and pee in them. How you put them on really is just a distraction to the purpose.


You people are so obnoxious. It doesn't matter if she thought it was a diaper, or if it's reasonable to think a pull-up is a diaper. The point is that she mocked OP's 4yo for wearing it. If it was a diaper, is it fine to mock him? JFC


Where did I say it was okay to mock him?

I'm just saying that calling it a "pull-up" doesn't make it not a diaper; i.e., something you can poop and pee in. "Pull-ups" are a form of diaper that you can pull up, but they are still a form of diapers. You don't mock kids for it, obviously, but the term isn't as incorrect as people make it out to be. Kids want to call it something different, but that doesn't make it something substantively different.

If you are going to call Depends something else, it's "adult diaper," not "adult pull-up." Doesn't mean you should mock someone for wearing them, but "adult pull-up" is ludicrous.
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I do not think it is strange for a kid to run around in diapers. What is odd is the age of the child in diapers. Particularly for a middle schooler. Diapers are associated with babies so she was probably confused as to why an almost kindergartner was in diapers. And yes, pull-ups are diapers with a "nicer" name. A MS has likely never had to care for a kid in diapers, or doesn't remember the youngest siblings' potty habits, so what would you expect. This is far from cruel or malicious. I think OP is projecting her own insecurities in having her 5 yr old in diapers at night.

Yes, it is a tad old to be in night time diapers but I'm sure tons of parents in the US still have their K, 1st, 2nd graders in diapers. I mean, they make those pull ups for up to 50 lbs. Come on, parents!
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Anonymous wrote:Why are you assigning malicious intent to a 14 year old? Maybe she was genuinely surprised. It’s not like 14 years old don’t ever say dumb things.

Why couldn’t you say “yeah he does. It’s not that unusual for his age?”

And leave it at that? She probably would have just said “oh really? I didn’t know that?”

You’re scared to talk to a teenager? What kind of life do you live? Jesus.


I don’t think OP is “assigning malicious intent.” She is concerned the girl’s comments might have had a negative impact. I also think there are some tricky dynamics here where she was expecting the other parent to say something (“Leave him alone Larla, it’s not a big deal”) and they didn’t, and OP maybe felt awkward saying something instead. Some people really don’t like it if you correct or scold their kid. Also OP suspects the parent might agree (a reasonable suspicion given all the comments on this thread from people who seem to think it’s scandalous that the boy was in a diaper, or that OP allowed others to see it).

And that’s the real issue. It’s not that OP is assuming this teenager is a terrible person, it’s that her words were not appropriate, the other parents didn’t weigh in, and OP is worried this reflects judgment on their part. It’s not really about the teenagers behavior it’s about the relationship between the families.


OP characterized the comments as "cruel" and "mean-spirited." That's unquestionably assigning malicious intent. Add to that her breathless characterization of the conversation, and the fact that she thinks this is a VERY BIG DEAL . . .
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Anonymous wrote:I do not think it is strange for a kid to run around in diapers. What is odd is the age of the child in diapers. Particularly for a middle schooler. Diapers are associated with babies so she was probably confused as to why an almost kindergartner was in diapers. And yes, pull-ups are diapers with a "nicer" name. A MS has likely never had to care for a kid in diapers, or doesn't remember the youngest siblings' potty habits, so what would you expect. This is far from cruel or malicious. I think OP is projecting her own insecurities in having her 5 yr old in diapers at night.

Yes, it is a tad old to be in night time diapers but I'm sure tons of parents in the US still have their K, 1st, 2nd graders in diapers. I mean, they make those pull ups for up to 50 lbs. Come on, parents!


I fail to see how a 5 year old is too old to be in diapers at night. I used to work with hundreds of kids, and I promise you, there are a LOT of 7, 8, even 10 year olds, particularly boys, that are still wearing pull ups or something of the sort at night.

It's not discussed much amongst parents, but I promise that doesn't mean it's at all unusual. Most sensible pediatricians wouldn't even be phased that a kid this age wasn't dry at night.
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Ok- so I'm a 40-something mom who had issues with bed wetting until I was way older than 5. There was a long family history and one of my two kids struggles with this as well.

It's normal and you should make sure your kid knows that, but also you need to be realistic. Just read this thread- there are plenty of ADULTS who are nasty about this, much less kids.

But it's irrelevant that the 8th grader doesn't know that there are kids who are still in pull ups, or diapers, or whatever, past toddlerhood. She's well old enough to know that calling a child a baby or asking if he pees his pants is rude. My kids meet a lot of people with physical and emotional differences; people who talk differently, act differently, wear different clothes, eat different foods. It's never appropriate to point, laugh, make jokes at their expense, or put them on the spot by demanding to know why are the way they are. If the girl has questions about the bathroom habits of young children, she should know enough to wait until she is alone with her parents and ask. I'm fascinated at how readily people are willing to call bad parenting on the bed wetter, but have no issue with the parenting of a pre-teen or teen who talks down to a child who is years younger because, at bottom, he has different physical abilities or habits than she expects.
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Anonymous wrote:I do not think it is strange for a kid to run around in diapers. What is odd is the age of the child in diapers. Particularly for a middle schooler. Diapers are associated with babies so she was probably confused as to why an almost kindergartner was in diapers. And yes, pull-ups are diapers with a "nicer" name. A MS has likely never had to care for a kid in diapers, or doesn't remember the youngest siblings' potty habits, so what would you expect. This is far from cruel or malicious. I think OP is projecting her own insecurities in having her 5 yr old in diapers at night.

Yes, it is a tad old to be in night time diapers but I'm sure tons of parents in the US still have their K, 1st, 2nd graders in diapers. I mean, they make those pull ups for up to 50 lbs. Come on, parents!



Exactly.


Even OP saying “cruel” is very dramatic.


I don’t understand why OP an adult couldn’t just respond to the kid. Is she scared of a freaking adolescent? Just say “no it’s not unusual. We don’t want him to wet the bed.”

That’s it.
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Y'all are nuts. My kid was not fully potty-trained at almost-4. But it was summer and it was hot as hell and we wanted to take him to the splash park. We worried about accidents in that specific settings for obvious reasons, so we'd put him in a swim diaper at the splash park, just so we didn't have to spend the entire time we were there stressing out about it. It was obvious he was wearing a swim diaper (disposable because he didn't even fit the reusable kind at that age). I'm sure people judged because that's what people do, but no one person, child or adult, ever said a word and DS had a great time and finished potty training not long after. People were friendly, kids still played with him, etc. Kids that age really don't care, and they've generally seen it all because there is such a broad range of potty training times, from as young as 18 mo to as old as 4 or 5 in a small number of kids. They don't judge unless someone teaches them to. Don't teach your kids to judge something like that! You are teaching them a cruel behavior. And also one day your kid will be the one late to a milestone and you will be grateful for the grace of others.

So reading these replies about how it is cruel to let a kid this age run around his own damn house in a pull-up he wears to bed? What on earth? Like I said: y'all are nuts. MYOB and better hope others don't treat you as harsh as you treat them.
Anonymous
Per our pediatrician, it is physiologically completely normal for kids to wet their beds (or pull-ups or diapers or whatever) until age 7 or even 8. Nighttime training is different than daytime training and there is no need to push or shame the child into reaching this milestone. It is physiological/developmental and will take care of itself. You don't need to do anything.
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Anonymous wrote:I do not think it is strange for a kid to run around in diapers. What is odd is the age of the child in diapers. Particularly for a middle schooler. Diapers are associated with babies so she was probably confused as to why an almost kindergartner was in diapers. And yes, pull-ups are diapers with a "nicer" name. A MS has likely never had to care for a kid in diapers, or doesn't remember the youngest siblings' potty habits, so what would you expect. This is far from cruel or malicious. I think OP is projecting her own insecurities in having her 5 yr old in diapers at night.

Yes, it is a tad old to be in night time diapers but I'm sure tons of parents in the US still have their K, 1st, 2nd graders in diapers. I mean, they make those pull ups for up to 50 lbs. Come on, parents!



Exactly.


Even OP saying “cruel” is very dramatic.


I don’t understand why OP an adult couldn’t just respond to the kid. Is she scared of a freaking adolescent? Just say “no it’s not unusual. We don’t want him to wet the bed.”

That’s it.



The kid would have probably just said "oh ok" and put on her airpods and we wouldn't have a long ass thread on here.
Anonymous
Haven't read through all of this thread, but:

As a mother to a 7, almost 8 year old that still wears Goodnites at night, every night...would just like to give a big middle finger, to everyone on here that is saying that a 5 year old kid is "too old" to be wearing a diaper at night.

My DS is way older than the OP's, and would like nothing more than to be done with having accidents at night. A lot of incredibly judgemental, pointlessly cruel people on here.

OP, if it makes your LO feel any better, you can tell him that and almost 8 year old said that he's awesome, and don't worry about it, he wears pull-ups too.
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OP is treating a 13 year old like an adult. Zero chance the kid can distinguish between pull-ups and diapers and, of course, a pull-up is a type of diaper. At that age, I thought of diapers as a done by 2 or 3 kind of thing and had no idea they kids wore them overnight long after they didn’t during the day. I had no idea how common it was, in fact, until my friends started having kids. It wasn’t at all a thing in my family though I totally understand it’s super common in other families because of the genetic component. I would guess this girl now thinks your kid wears a diaper all the time at age 5 and that’s what she was actually reacting to.

A kid running around in a diaper or underwear isn’t weird at all. If people think that as a general matter at a kids own house or with friends close enough to overnight with, they’re nuts. I think many people would be embarrassed that a 5 year old was still in diapers and so would specifically conceal them. That’s silly as there’s nothing embarrassing about a gene that makes your urine not concentrate until you’re older. That said, I’m a little surprised you didn’t realize this could be an issue since most 5 year olds don’t wear diapers anymore.
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