Private School Lacrosse Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no formal shot clock in college lacrosse, what are you talking about?

The ref can issue a stall warning when he feels the offense is not trying to create enough offense or generate enough shots. When the official issues a shot clock, the team has then 30 seconds to generate a shot Obviously this is very subjective. There is no shot clock similar to what you see in the NBA or College Basketball.

I assume your son doesn't play in the IAC as the IAC plays college rules unlike several other private school leagues.

VA and MD publics still played little by FEDERATION rules.

Not sure who you are responding to, but I was arguing that there SHOULD be a 90 sec possession/shot clock to minimize the advantage a team gets with a dominant FOGO. The girls have it, so should the boys.

The girls also don't wear helmets and can't check sticks.. The shot clock rule that college and iac use are perfectly fine and allow teams to play at a slower pace if they need to, as not every team has the horses to run the entire game.

NP jumping in. Have you ever even SEEN a college women's lacrosse game? They clearly check and there is no way that you can say that the pace is 'slower'. They also play two 30-minute halves instead of easy, breezy quarters where players get a break every 15 minutes. Those women can run circles around your ignorant butt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no formal shot clock in college lacrosse, what are you talking about?

The ref can issue a stall warning when he feels the offense is not trying to create enough offense or generate enough shots. When the official issues a shot clock, the team has then 30 seconds to generate a shot Obviously this is very subjective. There is no shot clock similar to what you see in the NBA or College Basketball.

I assume your son doesn't play in the IAC as the IAC plays college rules unlike several other private school leagues.

VA and MD publics still played little by FEDERATION rules.

Not sure who you are responding to, but I was arguing that there SHOULD be a 90 sec possession/shot clock to minimize the advantage a team gets with a dominant FOGO. The girls have it, so should the boys.

The girls also don't wear helmets and can't check sticks.. The shot clock rule that college and iac use are perfectly fine and allow teams to play at a slower pace if they need to, as not every team has the horses to run the entire game.

NP jumping in. Have you ever even SEEN a college women's lacrosse game? They clearly check and there is no way that you can say that the pace is 'slower'. They also play two 30-minute halves instead of easy, breezy quarters where players get a break every 15 minutes. Those women can run circles around your ignorant butt.

Ok well first i did not say the womans game is slower you misread what i was trying to say which was the current rules in place now allow mens teams to play at a slower pace if that is what would help them win games. Also lets be real checking in girls vs boys is not even close when it comes to physicality and where you are allowed to check. Finally, do girls wear pads and helmets?? Do these things have an effect on the boys during hot springs and summers on turf fields???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no formal shot clock in college lacrosse, what are you talking about?

The ref can issue a stall warning when he feels the offense is not trying to create enough offense or generate enough shots. When the official issues a shot clock, the team has then 30 seconds to generate a shot Obviously this is very subjective. There is no shot clock similar to what you see in the NBA or College Basketball.

I assume your son doesn't play in the IAC as the IAC plays college rules unlike several other private school leagues.

VA and MD publics still played little by FEDERATION rules.

Not sure who you are responding to, but I was arguing that there SHOULD be a 90 sec possession/shot clock to minimize the advantage a team gets with a dominant FOGO. The girls have it, so should the boys.

The girls also don't wear helmets and can't check sticks.. The shot clock rule that college and iac use are perfectly fine and allow teams to play at a slower pace if they need to, as not every team has the horses to run the entire game.

NP jumping in. Have you ever even SEEN a college women's lacrosse game? They clearly check and there is no way that you can say that the pace is 'slower'. They also play two 30-minute halves instead of easy, breezy quarters where players get a break every 15 minutes. Those women can run circles around your ignorant butt.

Ok well first i did not say the womans game is slower you misread what i was trying to say which was the current rules in place now allow mens teams to play at a slower pace if that is what would help them win games. Also lets be real checking in girls vs boys is not even close when it comes to physicality and where you are allowed to check. Finally, do girls wear pads and helmets?? Do these things have an effect on the boys during hot springs and summers on turf fields???

Look, it appears as though you are only concerned with the 'physicality' of the game for boy's play. So, yes, you're absolutely right that the boy's game has much more physical contact between players. Yippee, you're right! Dance around and wave your weanie. Aren't you happy!?! Hooray for you!!!

The point that I and others have been trying to make is that adding a real 90-second possession clock (or "shot clock") will increase the caliber of play for boy's and men's lacrosse. Then the boys won't be just running around bashing each other with their sticks and, instead, they will be focused on making some effective plays that move the game forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no formal shot clock in college lacrosse, what are you talking about?

The ref can issue a stall warning when he feels the offense is not trying to create enough offense or generate enough shots. When the official issues a shot clock, the team has then 30 seconds to generate a shot Obviously this is very subjective. There is no shot clock similar to what you see in the NBA or College Basketball.

I assume your son doesn't play in the IAC as the IAC plays college rules unlike several other private school leagues.

VA and MD publics still played little by FEDERATION rules.

Not sure who you are responding to, but I was arguing that there SHOULD be a 90 sec possession/shot clock to minimize the advantage a team gets with a dominant FOGO. The girls have it, so should the boys.

The girls also don't wear helmets and can't check sticks.. The shot clock rule that college and iac use are perfectly fine and allow teams to play at a slower pace if they need to, as not every team has the horses to run the entire game.

You don't know sh!t about the girls' game. Girls certainly can check sticks. Only in under 5th grade is there no checking. Once they are in high school and college the girls game is also allowed to get significantly more physical with some body checking allowed to slip by as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no formal shot clock in college lacrosse, what are you talking about?

The ref can issue a stall warning when he feels the offense is not trying to create enough offense or generate enough shots. When the official issues a shot clock, the team has then 30 seconds to generate a shot Obviously this is very subjective. There is no shot clock similar to what you see in the NBA or College Basketball.

I assume your son doesn't play in the IAC as the IAC plays college rules unlike several other private school leagues.

VA and MD publics still played little by FEDERATION rules.

Not sure who you are responding to, but I was arguing that there SHOULD be a 90 sec possession/shot clock to minimize the advantage a team gets with a dominant FOGO. The girls have it, so should the boys.

The girls also don't wear helmets and can't check sticks.. The shot clock rule that college and iac use are perfectly fine and allow teams to play at a slower pace if they need to, as not every team has the horses to run the entire game.

NP jumping in. Have you ever even SEEN a college women's lacrosse game? They clearly check and there is no way that you can say that the pace is 'slower'. They also play two 30-minute halves instead of easy, breezy quarters where players get a break every 15 minutes. Those women can run circles around your ignorant butt.

Ok well first i did not say the womans game is slower you misread what i was trying to say which was the current rules in place now allow mens teams to play at a slower pace if that is what would help them win games. Also lets be real checking in girls vs boys is not even close when it comes to physicality and where you are allowed to check. Finally, do girls wear pads and helmets?? Do these things have an effect on the boys during hot springs and summers on turf fields???

Girls' Lacrosse: No Helmets. No Pockets. No Pads. Just Speed, Skill, and Smarts.

Its a much harder game to play.

[Anonymous]

the girls game is 100X more difficult to play.

its a faster paced game as there are hardly any stoppage in play.

believe me, I have a boy who plays competitively and a daughter who plays as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the girls game is 100X more difficult to play.

its a faster paced game as there are hardly any stoppage in play.

believe me, I have a boy who plays competitively and a daughter who plays as well.

Totally agree. And as a parent of a private school lacrosse player, who happens to be a girl, I can tell you that this thread is NEVER about girls lacrosse. They need to change the title to Private School Boys Lacrosse Dads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the girls game is 100X more difficult to play.

its a faster paced game as there are hardly any stoppage in play.

believe me, I have a boy who plays competitively and a daughter who plays as well.

Totally agree. And as a parent of a private school lacrosse player, who happens to be a girl, I can tell you that this thread is NEVER about girls lacrosse. They need to change the title to Private School Boys Lacrosse Dads.

Agreed! And its sad since girls' lax is an amzing sport and played well by several privates in this area. And more girls from this area get recruited to play at Ivies than boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which tournaments are the private school team playing this summer?

None. The good players play summer tournaments on club teams or invitational teams or both.

Not sure about the "good players," but I know some "good schools" like Landon and SSSA are playing in tournaments this summer.

[Anonymous]

I played four years of Division I women's lacrosse (close defense) and have coached (HS) as well. The shot clock is even more necessary in the women's game than the men's game because of the great difficulty of LEGALLY causing a turnover through checking when the ball carrier is skilled. Even with the shot clock, dominance of the draw can be devastating in the women's game because it is so difficult to force turnovers. Because of the higher element of physicality and the long poles on defense, there's really no question that caused turnovers are more of a factor in the men's game.

With that said, I think the men's game as well would benefit from a "real" shot clock, not the current stall warning variety which can be manipulated (for example, college refs will start their 'mental stall warning' clock again if the coach of the team on offense calls a time-out) to make it less impactful in the final minutes of a game.

Glad to see some girls' lacrosse talk on the thread but it doesn't have to be adversarial -- at my undergrad school the men's and women's leaders were good friends and the men's fundraising association has generously merged with the women's association (the men's association has more big ticket donors).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I played four years of Division I women's lacrosse (close defense) and have coached (HS) as well. The shot clock is even more necessary in the women's game than the men's game because of the great difficulty of LEGALLY causing a turnover through checking when the ball carrier is skilled. Even with the shot clock, dominance of the draw can be devastating in the women's game because it is so difficult to force turnovers. Because of the higher element of physicality and the long poles on defense, there's really no question that caused turnovers are more of a factor in the men's game.

With that said, I think the men's game as well would benefit from a "real" shot clock, not the current stall warning variety which can be manipulated (for example, college refs will start their 'mental stall warning' clock again if the coach of the team on offense calls a time-out) to make it less impactful in the final minutes of a game.

Glad to see some girls' lacrosse talk on the thread but it doesn't have to be adversarial -- at my undergrad school the men's and women's leaders were good friends and the men's fundraising association has generously merged with the women's association (the men's association has more big ticket donors).

Great input about the shot clock in women's lax and how it also could benefit boy's/men's lax. I bet you are a great coach with your ability to explain a complex concept so simply!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the girls game is 100X more difficult to play.

its a faster paced game as there are hardly any stoppage in play.

believe me, I have a boy who plays competitively and a daughter who plays as well.

Totally agree. And as a parent of a private school lacrosse player, who happens to be a girl, I can tell you that this thread is NEVER about girls lacrosse. They need to change the title to Private School Boys Lacrosse Dads.

Agreed! And its sad since girls' lax is an amzing sport and played well by several privates in this area. And more girls from this area get recruited to play at Ivies than boys.

I am yet another parent chiming in to agree. The athleticism of the girls in lax is just amazing. We have both boys and girls who play lax. We would never tell our boys this but both my husband and I far prefer watching the girl's and women's lax because of how fluid and graceful the women are on the field yet also exuding such power. Women's lax can be very beautiful to watch. We are fortunate in the DC area to have so many outstanding girl's high school teams playing at such high levels. Truly impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the girls game is 100X more difficult to play.

its a faster paced game as there are hardly any stoppage in play.

believe me, I have a boy who plays competitively and a daughter who plays as well.

Totally agree. And as a parent of a private school lacrosse player, who happens to be a girl, I can tell you that this thread is NEVER about girls lacrosse. They need to change the title to Private School Boys Lacrosse Dads.

This is an absolutely bizarre comment. This thread is open to anyone who wants to post on the topic. Clearly a lot of parents of lacrosse-playing boys have found it and enjoy talking about their impressions from watching the scene their sons are in. They may not have daughters who play lacrosse or any daughters ar all. Why in the world would you expect them to post about girls' lacrosse?!

If you are interested in the girls' game, you should be posting about it instead of passively hoping someone else does. Be the change you want to see.

[Anonymous]

Or just start another thread. Geez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or just start another thread. Geez.

Jeff has made it very clear that only one lacrosse thread will be allowed on the private school Forum.