FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

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^ I'm the numbers PP. Totally new poster on the thread who thought the discussion could benefit from some actual numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's look at this in practical terms. These kids are here. Some of them have parents who came illegally and some have parents who came illegally. But they are being raised here now. They're growing up as American kids. The school system is legally obligated to educate all children who live here. The school system does not make immigration policy. I think we should be able to agree that it is better to educate a generation than create a generation that can't participate in society. In other words, if you think you don't like Hispanic immigrants now, just imagine how much you wouldn't like it if none of their kids ever learned English or graduated from high school.

Great perspective.

The problem is you don't lay out the welcome mat and create a magnet for these types of populations in the first place. This started over 30 years ago with lack of housing enforcement and turning a blind eye and now you have entire pyramids that are overrun. Classic case is Annandale HS which has gone from a great school to average to below average in less than 15 years

Its basically too late at this point. Once the first generation comes everyone else follows suit once they come over

Almost all the schools inside the beltway are overun at this point, the Route 1 corridor is the same, and Herndon has another cluster of failure

Roughly 1/3 of Fairfax is elite at this point, the second 1/3 is fine, but the bottom 1/3 is a hellhole. If you look at the trend lines the problem is just getting worse. Part of the reason Loudoun keeps adding schools is the white flight out of FCPS. The elites living in the top 1/3 of Fairfax have no idea whats going on in the county and if things truely go south they can always go to private school. It's the middle 1/3 that has to deal with the consequences.

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Wealthy people in both parties (Democrats and Republicans) send their kids to Private school or live in the area that are not affected by illegal immigration. It’s the Middle class that has to watch their schools deteriorate and watch while class sizes get larger as more and more money gets allocated to ESOL.

You mean, what you perceive as "illegal immigration". Please provide some facts to support your "boogeyman" fantasy.

Get in your luxury suv and Ride down route 7 past seven corners into baileys crossroafs take 236 west thriugh annandale go south and take a tour of springfield head east through franconia and then head south down route 1 into culmore. That whole area

Also check out herndon

Illegals everywhere sucking down tax dollars screwing the middle class wake up limousine liberal

So they are low-income and speak Spanish. WTF do you assume these people are illegal?

If they are legal, they should have no problem producing evidence of that, hmmm? Like a birth certificate or passport?

Sure. Have you asked them for that?

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People go to Loudoun because housing is cheaper.

Average sale price of a single family home in the most expensive school district in FCPS is around $1.13M. In LCPS, it's $674K.

Average sale price of a single family home in the least expensive school district in FCPS is $480K. In LCPS, it's $396K.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's look at this in practical terms. These kids are here. Some of them have parents who came illegally and some have parents who came illegally. But they are being raised here now. They're growing up as American kids. The school system is legally obligated to educate all children who live here. The school system does not make immigration policy. I think we should be able to agree that it is better to educate a generation than create a generation that can't participate in society. In other words, if you think you don't like Hispanic immigrants now, just imagine how much you wouldn't like it if none of their kids ever learned English or graduated from high school.

Great perspective.

The problem is you don't lay out the welcome mat and create a magnet for these types of populations in the first place. This started over 30 years ago with lack of housing enforcement and turning a blind eye and now you have entire pyramids that are overrun. Classic case is Annandale HS which has gone from a great school to average to below average in less than 15 years

Its basically too late at this point. Once the first generation comes everyone else follows suit once they come over

Almost all the schools inside the beltway are overun at this point, the Route 1 corridor is the same, and Herndon has another cluster of failure

Roughly 1/3 of Fairfax is elite at this point, the second 1/3 is fine, but the bottom 1/3 is a hellhole. If you look at the trend lines the problem is just getting worse. Part of the reason Loudoun keeps adding schools is the white flight out of FCPS. The elites living in the top 1/3 of Fairfax have no idea whats going on in the county and if things truely go south they can always go to private school. It's the middle 1/3 that has to deal with the consequences.

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Wealthy people in both parties (Democrats and Republicans) send their kids to Private school or live in the area that are not affected by illegal immigration. It’s the Middle class that has to watch their schools deteriorate and watch while class sizes get larger as more and more money gets allocated to ESOL.

You mean, what you perceive as "illegal immigration". Please provide some facts to support your "boogeyman" fantasy.

Get in your luxury suv and Ride down route 7 past seven corners into baileys crossroafs take 236 west thriugh annandale go south and take a tour of springfield head east through franconia and then head south down route 1 into culmore. That whole area

Also check out herndon

Illegals everywhere sucking down tax dollars screwing the middle class wake up limousine liberal

So they are low-income and speak Spanish. WTF do you assume these people are illegal?

If they are legal, they should have no problem producing evidence of that, hmmm? Like a birth certificate or passport?

Sure. Have you asked them for that?

No, but I’m hoping this administration will successfully implement policy that requires proof of legal residency to enroll in public school. Right now, if a warm body shows up they have to be educated at taxpayer expense. That open-door has to be shut.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's look at this in practical terms. These kids are here. Some of them have parents who came illegally and some have parents who came illegally. But they are being raised here now. They're growing up as American kids. The school system is legally obligated to educate all children who live here. The school system does not make immigration policy. I think we should be able to agree that it is better to educate a generation than create a generation that can't participate in society. In other words, if you think you don't like Hispanic immigrants now, just imagine how much you wouldn't like it if none of their kids ever learned English or graduated from high school.

Great perspective.

The problem is you don't lay out the welcome mat and create a magnet for these types of populations in the first place. This started over 30 years ago with lack of housing enforcement and turning a blind eye and now you have entire pyramids that are overrun. Classic case is Annandale HS which has gone from a great school to average to below average in less than 15 years

Its basically too late at this point. Once the first generation comes everyone else follows suit once they come over

Almost all the schools inside the beltway are overun at this point, the Route 1 corridor is the same, and Herndon has another cluster of failure

Roughly 1/3 of Fairfax is elite at this point, the second 1/3 is fine, but the bottom 1/3 is a hellhole. If you look at the trend lines the problem is just getting worse. Part of the reason Loudoun keeps adding schools is the white flight out of FCPS. The elites living in the top 1/3 of Fairfax have no idea whats going on in the county and if things truely go south they can always go to private school. It's the middle 1/3 that has to deal with the consequences.

+1

Wealthy people in both parties (Democrats and Republicans) send their kids to Private school or live in the area that are not affected by illegal immigration. It’s the Middle class that has to watch their schools deteriorate and watch while class sizes get larger as more and more money gets allocated to ESOL.

You mean, what you perceive as "illegal immigration". Please provide some facts to support your "boogeyman" fantasy.

Get in your luxury suv and Ride down route 7 past seven corners into baileys crossroafs take 236 west thriugh annandale go south and take a tour of springfield head east through franconia and then head south down route 1 into culmore. That whole area

Also check out herndon

Illegals everywhere sucking down tax dollars screwing the middle class wake up limousine liberal

So they are low-income and speak Spanish. WTF do you assume these people are illegal?

If they are legal, they should have no problem producing evidence of that, hmmm? Like a birth certificate or passport?

Sure. Have you asked them for that?

No, but I’m hoping this administration will successfully implement policy that requires proof of legal residency to enroll in public school. Right now, if a warm body shows up they have to be educated at taxpayer expense. That open-door has to be shut.

Why? These kids are here. They are growing up in a low-income environment. Do you want them to be educated and better able to contribute to society OR keep them uneducated?

Instead of giving corporations huge tax cuts why aren't we putting more money into education? Let's lift up those around us instead of lining the pockets of greedy CEOs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

Is the lady upthread some kind of official spokeswoman or something? Why does her single personal narrative hold so much weight with you? Moreover, since when is the single personal narrative off someone on an anonymous forum considered credible?

Still can't criticize her though, can you?

Sounds like she came from a tough background and is just trying to do the best she can for her kids. Just like the rest of us. Would you really do anything differently if you were in her shoes?

Yup...still can't criticize her. Liberals simply are so programmed to defend lawbreakers at all cost that will not say a bad word about someone who is illegal! I'm talking about her hypocrisy - saying that she has ESOL kids but she made sure she didn't put them in a school with a high ESOL population since those schools are bad. She doesn't want her own kids to have to be among others like them.

What would you do if you were in her situation?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just like flight attendants tell passengers to put on their air mask before helping others, we need to do the same for our country. To preserve our American standard of living, which is the envy of much of the world, we have to control immigration and only let in those who will help make this country better. Otherwise, the US will become just like the 3rd world crapholes immigrants are escaping. Those with skills, not the world’s peasants, should be our immigration priority. Stop the policy of “family reunification” that JFK started. I’m liberal about many things, but immigration policy is not one of them.

Our economy has always been based on an influx of low-income immigrant labor, starting with English and Irish, then slavery, Russians, Irish, Italians, Germans, etc. There were no quotas until after WWI. They are now Latinos and Africans. Big business depends on them. We all depend on them, but they are always handy as a scapegoat for almost any problem. Nothing has changed.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I'm the numbers PP. Totally new poster on the thread who thought the discussion could benefit from some actual numbers.

Thank you pp for posting this:
https://www.alexandriava.gov/uploadedFiles/dchs/ad...entedImmigrantsinVAandNOVA.pdf

How did you ever find it? I'm curious because it's difficult to glean such information on that site: you must know where to look.

NP on this thread: Alexandria City has very high FARMS, ESL, pays ~$19,000 per student, and continues to languish at the bottom of Virginia (and even Country: see 2016 SAT ranking) in education results. In Fiscal Year 2018, a huge tax increase was voted in to further build Alexandria schools which no school boards did for way to long, and because our capacity is high.

I favor legal immigration, I understand illegal immigration, but Alexandria City Schools are hurting too much and for too long, which impacts we residents as well as income to city coffers. Something must be done to address all sides of this issue in open discussion. Speakers not hushed up by name calling as not being "democratic".

Democracy Dies in Darkness Not Light.

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I'm going to try again. High schools used to compete for who had the best football team. Now the competition is to see who can get the most $$$ in college scholarship money. The result is much more spending on the top tier of students (AP, honors, fifth year foreign languages, etc.). There is no additional funding so this is done at the expense of middle and remedial students. That's why overall test scores are going down. Immigrants are not statistically significant.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

Is the lady upthread some kind of official spokeswoman or something? Why does her single personal narrative hold so much weight with you? Moreover, since when is the single personal narrative off someone on an anonymous forum considered credible?

Still can't criticize her though, can you?

Sounds like she came from a tough background and is just trying to do the best she can for her kids. Just like the rest of us. Would you really do anything differently if you were in her shoes?

Yup...still can't criticize her. Liberals simply are so programmed to defend lawbreakers at all cost that will not say a bad word about someone who is illegal! I'm talking about her hypocrisy - saying that she has ESOL kids but she made sure she didn't put them in a school with a high ESOL population since those schools are bad. She doesn't want her own kids to have to be among others like them.

What would you do if you were in her situation?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

I wouldn't BE in her situation. I follow laws. And if I didn't, I would not mock the stupidity of Americans (which she did) and then brag about putting my ESOL kids in a school with low ESOL numbers to avoid the problems people such as I have created.

And I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to try again. High schools used to compete for who had the best football team. Now the competition is to see who can get the most $$$ in college scholarship money. The result is much more spending on the top tier of students (AP, honors, fifth year foreign languages, etc.). There is no additional funding so this is done at the expense of middle and remedial students. That's why overall test scores are going down. Immigrants are not statistically significant.

Do you really believe this? Immigrants are causing the problem. ESOL is a huge part of the FCPS budget.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

Enjoy!

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Anonymous wrote: I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

Enjoy!

Nothing is showing up. must be from a liberal, diminishing the very real problem caused when illegal immigrants and/or non-English speakers make up 40% of an AMERICAN public school. As a PP states above, affluent areas of Fairfax have escaped unscathed, but poorer and working class families are bearing the brunt.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to try again. High schools used to compete for who had the best football team. Now the competition is to see who can get the most $$$ in college scholarship money. The result is much more spending on the top tier of students (AP, honors, fifth year foreign languages, etc.). There is no additional funding so this is done at the expense of middle and remedial students. That's why overall test scores are going down. Immigrants are not statistically significant.

Do you really believe this? Immigrants are causing the problem. ESOL is a huge part of the FCPS budget.

....plus, kids who can't speak English are bringing down the caliber of instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:Just like flight attendants tell passengers to put on their air mask before helping others, we need to do the same for our country. To preserve our American standard of living, which is the envy of much of the world, we have to control immigration and only let in those who will help make this country better. Otherwise, the US will become just like the 3rd world crapholes immigrants are escaping. Those with skills, not the world’s peasants, should be our immigration priority. Stop the policy of “family reunification” that JFK started. I’m liberal about many things, but immigration policy is not one of them.

Our economy has always been based on an influx of low-income immigrant labor, starting with English and Irish, then slavery, Russians, Irish, Italians, Germans, etc. There were no quotas until after WWI. They are now Latinos and Africans. Big business depends on them. We all depend on them, but they are always handy as a scapegoat for almost any problem. Nothing has changed.

Oh yes it has. We are much more densely populated than before and we aren’t experiencing the industrial boom of the late 19th and early 20th century. Our economy can’t absorb the world’s peasants. We need protectionist legislation.