FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And here are the numbers. You are getting played - illegal immigration is not the root issue here.

ESOL/FARM <> Illegal

Regardless of how much you yell, you're like an ostrich putting your head in the sand. While ESOL/FARM <> Illegal, the facts remain that even half of those 83K students being illegals is tapping dwindling school resources to support them. Providing additional teachers and resources to teach 40K illegal immigrant students is taking millions of dollars of resources for teacher salaries, teaching materials from legal immigrants and citizen children. The ones who will suffer the most are the legal immigrants who are forced to share ESOL resources with illegal immigrant children. The legal immigrant children now have extremely overpopulated classes and less individual attention because teachers don't have the time to spend as much time with each student when their class sizes are up to 50% larger. If you were to prohibit illegal immigrant children from using school resources, you could better support your legal immigrant population, teaching them English and getting them up to speed faster for integration into regular classes. The class sizes would shrink, there would be more money to provide better support for the ESOL population that remained. There would be more money for FARM support per child, so that there would be better support the low income legal residents of the county. And there would be more money to provide additional benefits to all students throughout the county.

This isn't about ESOL/FARMS. Isn't about using the resources of the county to better support legal citizens and residents including legal immigrants instead of supporting illegal immigrants.

Almost every PP complained that ESOL/FARMS students were detrimental to their schools.

You can try to chip away at the perceived issue schools but you will not really fix anything. The issue is that the low-income housing is all concentrated in pockets rather than being spread out more evenly across the area. If the schools across the area reflected the area demographics then many more schools would be thriving. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution for this. Rich Bs in McLean (who pretend to be accountants) don't want affordable housing near them and would fight like crazy to keep it out.

But focusing on "illegal immigration" is a red herring. Rs are tugging on xenophobe strings to get into office, but won't actually "fix" anything...

[Anonymous]

Assuming those estimates are accurate:

Out of the estimated 83,000 undocumented people living in Fairfax, 24% are children; and 93% of those are enrolled in schools.

So 18,525 children out of 189,000 in FCPS; 9.8% undocumented.

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps
17% ESOL
28% FARM
25% Hispanic

So less than 1/2 of those people you despise are illegal.


And here are the numbers. You are getting played - illegal immigration is not the root issue here




The anchor count is high. Fairfax got 4220 illegal minors under Obama's plan. Illegal immigration is the root issue. The anchors are citizens by the bastardization of our constitution/ law NOT the spirit of the law. Hopefully the anchor plan will be changed. Ludicrous - these people were not the descended from AA slaves or AA slaves themselves in the 1800's NOR were they Native Americans in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Blaming immigrants is the easy answer. The real problem is the focus on the top 10 percent of students at the expense of everyone else.
Principals compare their aggregate $ amount in college scholarship offers (per pupil) like they used to compare football rankings. It's the new status number. Not in AP? Tough!

[Anonymous]

Liberals mass imported 3rd world migrants, and ruined half the schools in Nova. Fact. Then those same liberals liberals send their kids to private school. If that describes you, jump off a bridge.

[Anonymous]

Deport illegals, keep the change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blaming immigrants is the easy answer. The real problem is the focus on the top 10 percent of students at the expense of everyone else.
Principals compare their aggregate $ amount in college scholarship offers (per pupil) like they used to compare football rankings. It's the new status number. Not in AP? Tough!

The dirty truth is this

If you are a normal kid you are getting screwed

Fairfax spends millions on SPED/ESOL/FARMS

AAP program is decent as well

if you are a normal kid who doesn't qualify for AAP you are getting screwed. This is why all the white and asian parents are figthing tooth and nail for their kids to get into AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming immigrants is the easy answer. The real problem is the focus on the top 10 percent of students at the expense of everyone else.
Principals compare their aggregate $ amount in college scholarship offers (per pupil) like they used to compare football rankings. It's the new status number. Not in AP? Tough!

The dirty truth is this

If you are a normal kid you are getting screwed

Fairfax spends millions on SPED/ESOL/FARMS

AAP program is decent as well

if you are a normal kid who doesn't qualify for AAP you are getting screwed. This is why all the white and asian parents are figthing tooth and nail for their kids to get into AAP

This thread is so November 2017.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best teachers were all skimmed off to teach AP and gifted students. Education for struggling and average students, including those born in America, took the hit. Schools are now blaming the immigrants, always an easy target.

Wrong! Some of the worst, least experienced teachers I’ve encountered were in an AAP Center.

Agree, only want AAP kids there to bring up scores. Most of the good teachers are in the gen. ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming immigrants is the easy answer. The real problem is the focus on the top 10 percent of students at the expense of everyone else.
Principals compare their aggregate $ amount in college scholarship offers (per pupil) like they used to compare football rankings. It's the new status number. Not in AP? Tough!

The dirty truth is this

If you are a normal kid you are getting screwed

Fairfax spends millions on SPED/ESOL/FARMS

AAP program is decent as well

if you are a normal kid who doesn't qualify for AAP you are getting screwed. This is why all the white and asian parents are figthing tooth and nail for their kids to get into AAP

Same all over. Agree with policies in principle but it is hard when your kid is the one affected. Should be a way to help these kids without making "average" kids pay for it with lack of attention, diminished standards and distractions in classroom.

[Anonymous]

AAP program is decent as well

The school board is considering a requirement that 25% of the students be from minority families--and they don't mean Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

Then, the same thing is true in APS. Your resources are stretched as a result.

[Anonymous]

For registration, I had to produce my kids’ birth certs, shot records, two proofs of residency within the school’s attendance zone, previous school records and MY ID. Good to know I didn’t really need to do that. Oh wait