FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

On the other hand higher COL for Arlington impacts teacher salaries, and the scarcity of vacant land makes building new schools more costly and complex.

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

On the other hand higher COL for Arlington impacts teacher salaries, and the scarcity of vacant land makes building new schools more costly and complex.

Arlington has a fraction of the kids Fairfax does. It's a lot easier to balance teacher pay and student needs when you only have 54k students versus the 187k that Fairfax has.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers know. Anyone who has been teaching for 10+ years has seen decline.

Teachers are told to “differentiate” instruction. It’s possible, but it is causing many talented, hard-working teachers to leave the profession.
It is next to impossible to meet the needs of all the learners in a given classroom - especially when some of them do not even speak the language.
Not only do many of these students not speak English, many are illiterate in their native tongue.

There is no way I could be an effective teacher today.

~ Former FCPS teacher

Actually, this is key. Its impossible to teach second language literacy without a solid foundation in the first. VA has a great ESOL track, but that's different from teaching basic literacy to a teen, plus academic content, plus second language. We are asking a lot of schools and teachers. These students need their own program.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals mass imported 3rd world migrants, and ruined half the schools in Nova. Fact. Then those same liberals liberals send their kids to private school. If that describes you, jump off a bridge.

It was Reagan. And the many businesses owned by GOP. But don’t let facts get in your way of a manufactured crisis.

Idiotic hysterical cow.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals mass imported 3rd world migrants, and ruined half the schools in Nova. Fact. Then those same liberals liberals send their kids to private school. If that describes you, jump off a bridge.

It was Reagan. And the many businesses owned by GOP. But don’t let facts get in your way of a manufactured crisis.

Idiotic hysterical cow.

Not PP but they are probably talking about the influx of unaccompanied minors coming in 2014 -2017. A lot of those kids were dumped in Fairfax county schools.

That has nothing to do with Reagan or businesses owned by the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

On the other hand higher COL for Arlington impacts teacher salaries, and the scarcity of vacant land makes building new schools more costly and complex.

Arlington has a fraction of the kids Fairfax does. It's a lot easier to balance teacher pay and student needs when you only have 54k students versus the 187k that Fairfax has.

Fairfax has a bigger population and tax base.

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

On the other hand higher COL for Arlington impacts teacher salaries, and the scarcity of vacant land makes building new schools more costly and complex.

Arlington has a fraction of the kids Fairfax does. It's a lot easier to balance teacher pay and student needs when you only have 54k students versus the 187k that Fairfax has.

Fairfax has a bigger population and tax base.

Obviously the tax base isn't enough as every year they need more money for schools

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

So say that you want solutions to high ESOL #s. Don't put terrible candidates like Trump into office over "illegals". You're not actually addressing your actual concern.

+1000000.

No matter where you live in FCPS, your kids are being affected by the number of undocumented resident children in our county. You may not see these kids in your schools, but your schools are getting less money as a result. To say that other programs are not impacted is naive and uninformed.

Whether this is right or wrong may be debated--but , it is a fact that FCPS resources are being stretched as a result. And, Trump has nothing to do with this--it started before he was president.

The percentage of ESOL and FARMS kids is virtually identical in APS and FCPS.

The median house in Arlington is $715k and $544K in Fairfax. Arlington real estate taxes can afford a lot more for these services. Arlington is also has a fraction of the amount of kids that Fairfax has... and those kids are crammed together in certain areas so the resources can be maximized. Fairfax has these kids spread out everywhere which stretches the budget.

On the other hand higher COL for Arlington impacts teacher salaries, and the scarcity of vacant land makes building new schools more costly and complex.

Arlington has a fraction of the kids Fairfax does. It's a lot easier to balance teacher pay and student needs when you only have 54k students versus the 187k that Fairfax has.

Fairfax has a bigger population and tax base.

Obviously the tax base isn't enough as every year they need more money for schools

Point is there that there is as much structural reason for schools to be costly in Arlington as in Fairfax. Maybe FCPS is inefficient, maybe the trend to urbanism means ArlCo is in a better position in taxes than FFX (though ArlCo just announced a tax increase). But the claim that somehow its cheaper per pupil in ArlCo doesn't hold up AFAICT.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

How do you propose anyone finds this information? Schools aren't allowed to inquire about a student's legal status.

+1000

Almost everything about illegal aliens is based on estimates instead of facts, since illegals are first and foremost illegally present in our country.

It is a serious civil rights violation to inquire about a student's immigration status, or that of their parents.

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You don't have to inquire to find out immigration status. Place of birth should be on their birth certificate that has been provided to register for school.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to inquire to find out immigration status. Place of birth should be on their birth certificate that has been provided to register for school.

Schools can't turn away students who don't present a birth certificate. That's the problem. Every student has a right to be educated here regardless of immigration status and if they can't produce all the required documentation, the school must still accept them.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to inquire to find out immigration status. Place of birth should be on their birth certificate that has been provided to register for school.

Schools can't turn away students who don't present a birth certificate. That's the problem. Every student has a right to be educated here regardless of immigration status and if they can't produce all the required documentation, the school must still accept them.

Yes, and in Boston a few years ago, it was revealed that an undocumented immigrant was still in high school and was almost 30. I think this happens more than people realize. We are not just talking about five year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to inquire to find out immigration status. Place of birth should be on their birth certificate that has been provided to register for school.

Schools can't turn away students who don't present a birth certificate. That's the problem. Every student has a right to be educated here regardless of immigration status and if they can't produce all the required documentation, the school must still accept them.

Yes, and in Boston a few years ago, it was revealed that an undocumented immigrant was still in high school and was almost 30. I think this happens more than people realize. We are not just talking about five year olds.

OMGERD!!! 30 YEAR OLDS IN HIGH SCHOOL!!!! PANIC!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to inquire to find out immigration status. Place of birth should be on their birth certificate that has been provided to register for school.

Schools can't turn away students who don't present a birth certificate. That's the problem. Every student has a right to be educated here regardless of immigration status and if they can't produce all the required documentation, the school must still accept them.

You don't have to turn them away but they can be referred for someone to ensure they are citizens.