FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

I live at the intersection of Herndon and Chantilly. The kids in a 3-4 mile radius around me attend Lee’s Corner, Oak Hill, Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Greenbrier West, Navy, Rocky Run, Carson, Franklin, Chantilly, Oakton and Westfields. None of which are below a GS 8 (except Westfields). I suspect you don’t actually live in Fairfax County if you think Herndon/ Chantilly is an ESOL nightmare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

How do you propose anyone finds this information? Schools aren't allowed to inquire about a student's legal status.

+1000

Almost everything about illegal aliens is based on estimates instead of facts, since illegals are first and foremost illegally present in our country.

If they are poor and a parent speaks Spanish, they much be illegal. Duh. /s

Most likely, yes.

Oh FFS. They are not. But at least you are finally admitting that you hate poor Hispanic people, and have dropped the legal immigrants are fine crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way that education can be effective and fiscally attainable when some jurisdictions across the country are dealing with hundreds of different native languages. It.just.cant.be.done. Everyone suffers.

THIS. x100
I would just love for the liberals defending high ESOL #'s (read: illegal immigrants) to have to send their snowflakes to majority Spanish speaking schools, which simply don't have the resources to serve all the kids, much less the average English speaking ones. We'd never hear the end of their outrage.

+1

There is only so much money in the school system budget. It’s impossible to deal with the high WSOL numbers and also adequately provide resources for everything else.

Agree that this is exactly why Trump was elected. I did not vote for him but if he does keep his promises on curbing illegal immigration, then I would absolutely consider voting for him the next time.

The effects of illegal immigration are evident to me on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It’s more important to me than abortion (I’m pro-choice) and more important to me than many other issues that politicians focus on. Illegal immigration has affected me and my family in a way that some of those other issues have not.

Yes. I get dumped on when I mention this, but my elderly parents have lost half their home's equity due to the declining schools overrun with illegal immigrants. There are real, actual costs to American taxpayers when an area is over-populated with non-English speakers, and not just those who have kids who have to go to the public school.

And I agree with you on abortion. I'm pro-choice, since it doesn't impact me (or anyone else) when a woman terminates a pregnancy. But having schools where 45% of the kids are ESOL (some areas of northern Virginia, like Manasses, have this problem), it brings down the pace and complexity of classes. Schoolchildren in these areas are at a big disadvantage when compared to schools with lower ESOL percentages.

I don't really understand how you think this problem can be solved without investing more $$ in schools - which, yes, means more taxes. If your plan is to literally round up and deport every illegal immigrant, chances are you'll still be leaving behind a lot of kids (the lovely term 'anchor babies' that previous PP used - though most of those these days are Chinese and Russian, if you actually do your research) who still merit an education. Alternately, you'll leave (according to your 45% theory) nearly-half-empty schools, which will still cost money to maintain, heat/cool, etc., but with a lowered local tax base to support that. A closed school isn't any better for property values than one with *gasp* a lot of ESOL kids. The legal status or native language of the children are not the problem - a refusal of the local populace to pay enough taxes to maintain the necessary staffing ratios and provide the desired level of instruction is the problem.

Re: your parents' property values...unless they bought in the early oughts, I highly doubt their "loss" is real $$ and not just on paper. Can you name other, actual facets of your life in the DMV that have been negatively impacted by immigration?

Nobody in this thread ever said they have been impacted by immigration! Repeat after me: ILLEGAL immigrants.

This +100

I'm a child of immigrants and 100% support LEGAL immigration. Hate when people do not distinguish between Legal and Illegal immigration.

I don't care what country they come from - China/Russia/El Salvador/Guatemala. If they are here illegally, they are a problem.

I also hate when people do not distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. You couldn't tell the difference even if it sat on your face. I'm legal, but have been illegal twice and probably shouldn't be legal. Illegal becomes legal when it shouldn't and vice versa. Americans are clueless about their own immigration laws. You don't follow your own law, you follow your feelings.
And what happened to Republicans and personal responsibility? Who lets their parents sit and watch their house value go down thanks to illegals moving into neighborhood?
We are complaining about high farm/esol schools taking all the resources, but my personal responsibility had me steer clear of those schools. Plenty of "good" schools out there. Move IB and problem solved.
My older kid is farm and my younger kid will probably put into esol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

I live at the intersection of Herndon and Chantilly. The kids in a 3-4 mile radius around me attend Lee’s Corner, Oak Hill, Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Greenbrier West, Navy, Rocky Run, Carson, Franklin, Chantilly, Oakton and Westfields. None of which are below a GS 8 (except Westfields). I suspect you don’t actually live in Fairfax County if you think Herndon/ Chantilly is an ESOL nightmare.

That end of Herndon, near Chantilly, is nice. Large SFHs, upscale townhouses, higher-end condos and apartments. Take a meander down to another area of Herndon, like Eldon Street and Alabama Avenue. All low-income garden apartments, two and three families together, and a hotbed of M-13 activity. And while you're there, check out the 7/11. There are around 50 illegals there every morning, waiting for under the table day work. I once stopped at the McDonalds near there, and the parents were letting their kids run wild all over the place, and screaming like they were in a carnival funhouse. Let's not pretend that's a plus for our country. Can't imagine the schools around there are any too great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

I live at the intersection of Herndon and Chantilly. The kids in a 3-4 mile radius around me attend Lee’s Corner, Oak Hill, Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Greenbrier West, Navy, Rocky Run, Carson, Franklin, Chantilly, Oakton and Westfields. None of which are below a GS 8 (except Westfields). I suspect you don’t actually live in Fairfax County if you think Herndon/ Chantilly is an ESOL nightmare.

That end of Herndon, near Chantilly, is nice. Large SFHs, upscale townhouses, higher-end condos and apartments. Take a meander down to another area of Herndon, like Eldon Street and Alabama Avenue. All low-income garden apartments, two and three families together, and a hotbed of M-13 activity. And while you're there, check out the 7/11. There are around 50 illegals there every morning, waiting for under the table day work. I once stopped at the McDonalds near there, and the parents were letting their kids run wild all over the place, and screaming like they were in a carnival funhouse. Let's not pretend that's a plus for our country. Can't imagine the schools around there are any too great.

Just for fun, read crime/police reports, search terms "Herndon Alabama Avenue"

Also, the elementary school you may be interested in reading about is Hutchison ES. Or, Herndon HS.

[Anonymous]

Why are MCPS and FCPS parents always whining about this? Folks in DCPS don't whine incessantly about "illegals."

Y'all need to get a hobby, I swear. Always looking for the boogey-man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way that education can be effective and fiscally attainable when some jurisdictions across the country are dealing with hundreds of different native languages. It.just.cant.be.done. Everyone suffers.

THIS. x100
I would just love for the liberals defending high ESOL #'s (read: illegal immigrants) to have to send their snowflakes to majority Spanish speaking schools, which simply don't have the resources to serve all the kids, much less the average English speaking ones. We'd never hear the end of their outrage.

+1

There is only so much money in the school system budget. It’s impossible to deal with the high WSOL numbers and also adequately provide resources for everything else.

Agree that this is exactly why Trump was elected. I did not vote for him but if he does keep his promises on curbing illegal immigration, then I would absolutely consider voting for him the next time.

The effects of illegal immigration are evident to me on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It’s more important to me than abortion (I’m pro-choice) and more important to me than many other issues that politicians focus on. Illegal immigration has affected me and my family in a way that some of those other issues have not.

Yes. I get dumped on when I mention this, but my elderly parents have lost half their home's equity due to the declining schools overrun with illegal immigrants. There are real, actual costs to American taxpayers when an area is over-populated with non-English speakers, and not just those who have kids who have to go to the public school.

And I agree with you on abortion. I'm pro-choice, since it doesn't impact me (or anyone else) when a woman terminates a pregnancy. But having schools where 45% of the kids are ESOL (some areas of northern Virginia, like Manasses, have this problem), it brings down the pace and complexity of classes. Schoolchildren in these areas are at a big disadvantage when compared to schools with lower ESOL percentages.

I don't really understand how you think this problem can be solved without investing more $$ in schools - which, yes, means more taxes. If your plan is to literally round up and deport every illegal immigrant, chances are you'll still be leaving behind a lot of kids (the lovely term 'anchor babies' that previous PP used - though most of those these days are Chinese and Russian, if you actually do your research) who still merit an education. Alternately, you'll leave (according to your 45% theory) nearly-half-empty schools, which will still cost money to maintain, heat/cool, etc., but with a lowered local tax base to support that. A closed school isn't any better for property values than one with *gasp* a lot of ESOL kids. The legal status or native language of the children are not the problem - a refusal of the local populace to pay enough taxes to maintain the necessary staffing ratios and provide the desired level of instruction is the problem.

Re: your parents' property values...unless they bought in the early oughts, I highly doubt their "loss" is real $$ and not just on paper. Can you name other, actual facets of your life in the DMV that have been negatively impacted by immigration?

Nobody in this thread ever said they have been impacted by immigration! Repeat after me: ILLEGAL immigrants.

OK but again...WHAT IS THE ACTUAL IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way that education can be effective and fiscally attainable when some jurisdictions across the country are dealing with hundreds of different native languages. It.just.cant.be.done. Everyone suffers.

THIS. x100
I would just love for the liberals defending high ESOL #'s (read: illegal immigrants) to have to send their snowflakes to majority Spanish speaking schools, which simply don't have the resources to serve all the kids, much less the average English speaking ones. We'd never hear the end of their outrage.

+1

There is only so much money in the school system budget. It’s impossible to deal with the high WSOL numbers and also adequately provide resources for everything else.

Agree that this is exactly why Trump was elected. I did not vote for him but if he does keep his promises on curbing illegal immigration, then I would absolutely consider voting for him the next time.

The effects of illegal immigration are evident to me on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It’s more important to me than abortion (I’m pro-choice) and more important to me than many other issues that politicians focus on. Illegal immigration has affected me and my family in a way that some of those other issues have not.

Yes. I get dumped on when I mention this, but my elderly parents have lost half their home's equity due to the declining schools overrun with illegal immigrants. There are real, actual costs to American taxpayers when an area is over-populated with non-English speakers, and not just those who have kids who have to go to the public school.

And I agree with you on abortion. I'm pro-choice, since it doesn't impact me (or anyone else) when a woman terminates a pregnancy. But having schools where 45% of the kids are ESOL (some areas of northern Virginia, like Manasses, have this problem), it brings down the pace and complexity of classes. Schoolchildren in these areas are at a big disadvantage when compared to schools with lower ESOL percentages.

I don't really understand how you think this problem can be solved without investing more $$ in schools - which, yes, means more taxes. If your plan is to literally round up and deport every illegal immigrant, chances are you'll still be leaving behind a lot of kids (the lovely term 'anchor babies' that previous PP used - though most of those these days are Chinese and Russian, if you actually do your research) who still merit an education. Alternately, you'll leave (according to your 45% theory) nearly-half-empty schools, which will still cost money to maintain, heat/cool, etc., but with a lowered local tax base to support that. A closed school isn't any better for property values than one with *gasp* a lot of ESOL kids. The legal status or native language of the children are not the problem - a refusal of the local populace to pay enough taxes to maintain the necessary staffing ratios and provide the desired level of instruction is the problem.

Re: your parents' property values...unless they bought in the early oughts, I highly doubt their "loss" is real $$ and not just on paper. Can you name other, actual facets of your life in the DMV that have been negatively impacted by immigration?

Nobody in this thread ever said they have been impacted by immigration! Repeat after me: ILLEGAL immigrants.

OK but again...WHAT IS THE ACTUAL IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE?!

Not the pp, but I think the title of the thread says it all.
Reduced quality of school instruction is a direct impact. And, as a former FCPS teacher, I would agree.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way that education can be effective and fiscally attainable when some jurisdictions across the country are dealing with hundreds of different native languages. It.just.cant.be.done. Everyone suffers.

THIS. x100
I would just love for the liberals defending high ESOL #'s (read: illegal immigrants) to have to send their snowflakes to majority Spanish speaking schools, which simply don't have the resources to serve all the kids, much less the average English speaking ones. We'd never hear the end of their outrage.

+1

There is only so much money in the school system budget. It’s impossible to deal with the high WSOL numbers and also adequately provide resources for everything else.

Agree that this is exactly why Trump was elected. I did not vote for him but if he does keep his promises on curbing illegal immigration, then I would absolutely consider voting for him the next time.

The effects of illegal immigration are evident to me on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It’s more important to me than abortion (I’m pro-choice) and more important to me than many other issues that politicians focus on. Illegal immigration has affected me and my family in a way that some of those other issues have not.

Yes. I get dumped on when I mention this, but my elderly parents have lost half their home's equity due to the declining schools overrun with illegal immigrants. There are real, actual costs to American taxpayers when an area is over-populated with non-English speakers, and not just those who have kids who have to go to the public school.

And I agree with you on abortion. I'm pro-choice, since it doesn't impact me (or anyone else) when a woman terminates a pregnancy. But having schools where 45% of the kids are ESOL (some areas of northern Virginia, like Manasses, have this problem), it brings down the pace and complexity of classes. Schoolchildren in these areas are at a big disadvantage when compared to schools with lower ESOL percentages.

I don't really understand how you think this problem can be solved without investing more $$ in schools - which, yes, means more taxes. If your plan is to literally round up and deport every illegal immigrant, chances are you'll still be leaving behind a lot of kids (the lovely term 'anchor babies' that previous PP used - though most of those these days are Chinese and Russian, if you actually do your research) who still merit an education. Alternately, you'll leave (according to your 45% theory) nearly-half-empty schools, which will still cost money to maintain, heat/cool, etc., but with a lowered local tax base to support that. A closed school isn't any better for property values than one with *gasp* a lot of ESOL kids. The legal status or native language of the children are not the problem - a refusal of the local populace to pay enough taxes to maintain the necessary staffing ratios and provide the desired level of instruction is the problem.

Re: your parents' property values...unless they bought in the early oughts, I highly doubt their "loss" is real $$ and not just on paper. Can you name other, actual facets of your life in the DMV that have been negatively impacted by immigration?

Nobody in this thread ever said they have been impacted by immigration! Repeat after me: ILLEGAL immigrants.

OK but again...WHAT IS THE ACTUAL IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE?!

Not the pp, but I think the title of the thread says it all.
Reduced quality of school instruction is a direct impact. And, as a former FCPS teacher, I would agree.

And I AM the PP who was asked that question (what is actual impact on MY life).

Whoever said it had to have a direct impact on my life? I don't care only about myself! I am concerned with what is best for our country overall, and my fellow taxpaying citizens. And clearly, having a decreased quality of public education is a big negative for the country. Kids graduating from high school today know less and are able to figure out less than a comparable 6th grader 25 years ago.

For example: The 20-year-old at CVS could not figure out how much change to give me for an item that cost $1.88 (including tax), after I gave her $2.00. She had closed the register and was at a loss. She started hunting for her smartphone to use a calculator. Honestly, I would have known it was 12 cents in 3rd grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that FCPS or another VA school system has experienced "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation" (as someone commented on in another thread), can you please provide some stats to factually illustrate how big of an issue this really is? I have not been able to find any information to support this claim.

Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

MY elementary school is very close to DC and has a 70%+ free/reduced lunch, ESOL. If you look at the photos, there is not a single white or Asian child in sight. Cost of living here is HIGH - even the crappy apartments, so you know that most of these people have their rents subsidized by the county as well. It is CRAP.


We don't know what percentage is illegal but you know full well that this lack of information on who is illegal and who is not is a direct consequence of Liberal politics making such disclosure impossible to discern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that FCPS or another VA school system has experienced "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation" (as someone commented on in another thread), can you please provide some stats to factually illustrate how big of an issue this really is? I have not been able to find any information to support this claim.

Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

Go to GreatSchools and look up ANY of the elementary schools in this area that is a 4 or less. That will tell you all the names you need to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that FCPS or another VA school system has experienced "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation" (as someone commented on in another thread), can you please provide some stats to factually illustrate how big of an issue this really is? I have not been able to find any information to support this claim.

Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

This is not in question. It is 100% true and fact. My school has turned into a third world country in the last 10 years since Obama put DACA into place. Thousands are here. Also here are the children of illegal immigrants who do not speak english and come from illiterate parents. They are themselves birthright citizens, but they otherwise would not be here were the illegal immigration problem addressed.

Also reducing the quality of public education in this area is the FFX housing subsidies. What you end up having is concentrated pockets of the populace who end up placing undue burden on specific schools. The parents who know this fight redistricting and affordable housing development in their neighborhoods tooth and nail.

[Anonymous]

I taught for ten years. It is a huge issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

Wow. Tell us, do your children attend a school in Bailey's Crossroads? Annandale? Herndon? Chantilly? If they do not, then STFU. Your opinion doesn't matter unless your children are actually affected by the majority ESOL kids who attend so many FCPS schools. God, sanctimonious liberals are the *worst*.

I live at the intersection of Herndon and Chantilly. The kids in a 3-4 mile radius around me attend Lee’s Corner, Oak Hill, Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Greenbrier West, Navy, Rocky Run, Carson, Franklin, Chantilly, Oakton and Westfields. None of which are below a GS 8 (except Westfields). I suspect you don’t actually live in Fairfax County if you think Herndon/ Chantilly is an ESOL nightmare.

That end of Herndon, near Chantilly, is nice. Large SFHs, upscale townhouses, higher-end condos and apartments. Take a meander down to another area of Herndon, like Eldon Street and Alabama Avenue. All low-income garden apartments, two and three families together, and a hotbed of M-13 activity. And while you're there, check out the 7/11. There are around 50 illegals there every morning, waiting for under the table day work. I once stopped at the McDonalds near there, and the parents were letting their kids run wild all over the place, and screaming like they were in a carnival funhouse. Let's not pretend that's a plus for our country. Can't imagine the schools around there are any too great.

Just for fun, read crime/police reports, search terms "Herndon Alabama Avenue"

Also, the elementary school you may be interested in reading about is Hutchison ES. Or, Herndon HS.

Just checked Great Schools ranking. Herndon High and Herndon Middle are both 4, and Herndon Elementary is a 2. Anyone who wants to pretend this has nothing to do with the rampant illegal population taking over downtown Herndon (north of the Dulles Toll Road) is living in Liberal Dream Land.

[Anonymous]

This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.