FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

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Anonymous wrote:Just like flight attendants tell passengers to put on their air mask before helping others, we need to do the same for our country. To preserve our American standard of living, which is the envy of much of the world, we have to control immigration and only let in those who will help make this country better. Otherwise, the US will become just like the 3rd world crapholes immigrants are escaping. Those with skills, not the world’s peasants, should be our immigration priority. Stop the policy of “family reunification” that JFK started. I’m liberal about many things, but immigration policy is not one of them.

Our economy has always been based on an influx of low-income immigrant labor, starting with English and Irish, then slavery, Russians, Irish, Italians, Germans, etc. There were no quotas until after WWI. They are now Latinos and Africans. Big business depends on them. We all depend on them, but they are always handy as a scapegoat for almost any problem. Nothing has changed.

Oh yes it has. We are much more densely populated than before and we aren’t experiencing the industrial boom of the late 19th and early 20th century. Our economy can’t absorb the world’s peasants. We need protectionist legislation.

Also, there's a big difference between low-income immigrants today and those of past generations. In the past, the adults learned English - and were proud of their adopted country. Now they not only refuse to learn the language, they expect everything to be translated for them. Look at the Obamacare info form I got in the mail - it was translated into 15 languages on the back!

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I got on a municipal bus in Miami and the driver told me (in Spanish) that he only hablo Espanol. (I don't believe the City of Miami would hire a driver who can't speak English....I just think he wanted ME to adapt to HIM.) if you come here, learn the damn language!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to try again. High schools used to compete for who had the best football team. Now the competition is to see who can get the most $$$ in college scholarship money. The result is much more spending on the top tier of students (AP, honors, fifth year foreign languages, etc.). There is no additional funding so this is done at the expense of middle and remedial students. That's why overall test scores are going down. Immigrants are not statistically significant.

Do you really believe this? Immigrants are causing the problem. ESOL is a huge part of the FCPS budget.

Absolutely, it was in the last budget stating changing demographics of esol and poors is the highest cost and most rapid increasing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to try again. High schools used to compete for who had the best football team. Now the competition is to see who can get the most $$$ in college scholarship money. The result is much more spending on the top tier of students (AP, honors, fifth year foreign languages, etc.). There is no additional funding so this is done at the expense of middle and remedial students. That's why overall test scores are going down. Immigrants are not statistically significant.

Do you really believe this? Immigrants are causing the problem. ESOL is a huge part of the FCPS budget.

Absolutely, it was in the last budget stating changing demographics of esol and poors is the highest cost and most rapid increasing.

“We estimate that the projected deficit will be well in excess of $100 million next year,” she said.

The issue—one the county has been struggling with for years—is that revenues struggle to keep pace with skyrocketing enrollment, changing student demographics

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Anonymous wrote: I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

Enjoy!

Nothing is showing up. must be from a liberal, diminishing the very real problem caused when illegal immigrants and/or non-English speakers make up 40% of an AMERICAN public school. As a PP states above, affluent areas of Fairfax have escaped unscathed, but poorer and working class families are bearing the brunt.

Well if anyone had any doubts they're certainly not on the fence any longer.
You are truly an idiot.
That's the image doofus.
I shouldn't have said anything you probably would have kept checking back indefinitely wondering, "I wonder what's supposed to show up"

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Enjoy!

Nothing is showing up. must be from a liberal, diminishing the very real problem caused when illegal immigrants and/or non-English speakers make up 40% of an AMERICAN public school. As a PP states above, affluent areas of Fairfax have escaped unscathed, but poorer and working class families are bearing the brunt.

Well if anyone had any doubts they're certainly not on the fence any longer.
You are truly an idiot.
That's the image doofus.
I shouldn't have said anything you probably would have kept checking back indefinitely wondering, "I wonder what's supposed to show up"

So you are admitting that liberals will never criticize an illegal, no matter how hypocritical they may be. You made my point for me!!! (And you call ME the idiot?)

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NP here. I have no issue with legal immigrants. My only beef with illegal aliens is that they use resources. Even acknowledging that illegal aliens only make up approximately 50% of the ESOL or FARMS programs, the point is that without those students, there will be more money to go around. The point is that illegal aliens are diluting a rapidly stretched and thinning school budget. For citizen and legal immigrant students, the presense of the illegal aliens is taking valuable school resources to address. The number of ESOL classes is expanding and the number of mouths to feed at the school district expense is rising. If you eliminated 18,000 children from using school resources, then the amount of money per student would go up. If you were paying fewer ESOL teachers and spending less money on FARMS subsidies, that money could go into more resources, books, computers, and other teaching aids for the remaining majority of the students in the school district. Class sizes have been growing consistently to the point that students are receiving less attention from teachers. If you eliminated illegals, and reduced the number of ESOL classes, you could use the space and teachers to teach other classes. You could spread the same children out over one more classroom and decrease the student:teacher ratio which is good for the remaining student body. We're not talking about eliminating all ESOL or FARMS. The children who will likely benefit the most are the legal immigrant aliens. The ESOL classes are the most crowded. If you can get the ESOL student:teacher ratio significantly decreased, these children have the best change to learn more and faster and incorporate into regularly school programming faster. Right now, you are sacrificing the students whose family came here legally to protect the families who came here illegally by dividing up the resources devoted to the legal immigrant community. That's just not right.

As someone whose parents came here legally many years ago, I sympathize with the illegal alien population who are trying to improve their lot in life, but I resent the fact that this country promises so much to the legal immigrant community, but those benefits and promises are diluted so much to provide for the illegal aliens.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I have no issue with legal immigrants. My only beef with illegal aliens is that they use resources. Even acknowledging that illegal aliens only make up approximately 50% of the ESOL or FARMS programs, the point is that without those students, there will be more money to go around. The point is that illegal aliens are diluting a rapidly stretched and thinning school budget. For citizen and legal immigrant students, the presense of the illegal aliens is taking valuable school resources to address. The number of ESOL classes is expanding and the number of mouths to feed at the school district expense is rising. If you eliminated 18,000 children from using school resources, then the amount of money per student would go up. If you were paying fewer ESOL teachers and spending less money on FARMS subsidies, that money could go into more resources, books, computers, and other teaching aids for the remaining majority of the students in the school district. Class sizes have been growing consistently to the point that students are receiving less attention from teachers. If you eliminated illegals, and reduced the number of ESOL classes, you could use the space and teachers to teach other classes. You could spread the same children out over one more classroom and decrease the student:teacher ratio which is good for the remaining student body. We're not talking about eliminating all ESOL or FARMS. The children who will likely benefit the most are the legal immigrant aliens. The ESOL classes are the most crowded. If you can get the ESOL student:teacher ratio significantly decreased, these children have the best change to learn more and faster and incorporate into regularly school programming faster. Right now, you are sacrificing the students whose family came here legally to protect the families who came here illegally by dividing up the resources devoted to the legal immigrant community. That's just not right.

As someone whose parents came here legally many years ago, I sympathize with the illegal alien population who are trying to improve their lot in life, but I resent the fact that this country promises so much to the legal immigrant community, but those benefits and promises are diluted so much to provide for the illegal aliens.

This +1000

I am also a legal immigrant and I feel this way 100%.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

Enjoy!

Nothing is showing up. must be from a liberal, diminishing the very real problem caused when illegal immigrants and/or non-English speakers make up 40% of an AMERICAN public school. As a PP states above, affluent areas of Fairfax have escaped unscathed, but poorer and working class families are bearing the brunt.

Well if anyone had any doubts they're certainly not on the fence any longer.
You are truly an idiot.
That's the image doofus.
I shouldn't have said anything you probably would have kept checking back indefinitely wondering, "I wonder what's supposed to show up"

So you are admitting that liberals will never criticize an illegal, no matter how hypocritical they may be. You made my point for me!!! (And you call ME the idiot?)

Yeah I'm calling you the idiot because you are acting like one.
The only people I know who relentlessly try to one-up others on anonymous forums and get all giddy about it are idiots.
You gonna go out and buy everyone a round at the bar tonight announcing your "victory"? Do you honestly think anyone will give a shit?
Are you expecting the ghost of Roger Ailes to come into your room tonite and give you a kiss on the forehead or something?
Lol you need a life, seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:So all of the "illegals are destroying our schools" whining is just BS. You just don't like ESOL. Got it.

You are s moron.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

Enjoy!

Nothing is showing up. must be from a liberal, diminishing the very real problem caused when illegal immigrants and/or non-English speakers make up 40% of an AMERICAN public school. As a PP states above, affluent areas of Fairfax have escaped unscathed, but poorer and working class families are bearing the brunt.

Well if anyone had any doubts they're certainly not on the fence any longer.
You are truly an idiot.
That's the image doofus.
I shouldn't have said anything you probably would have kept checking back indefinitely wondering, "I wonder what's supposed to show up"

So you are admitting that liberals will never criticize an illegal, no matter how hypocritical they may be. You made my point for me!!! (And you call ME the idiot?)

Yeah I'm calling you the idiot because you are acting like one.
The only people I know who relentlessly try to one-up others on anonymous forums and get all giddy about it are idiots.
You gonna go out and buy everyone a round at the bar tonight announcing your "victory"? Do you honestly think anyone will give a shit?
Are you expecting the ghost of Roger Ailes to come into your room tonite and give you a kiss on the forehead or something?
Lol you need a life, seriously.

Wow. You are an example of a liberal who makes other liberals look bad. Keep it up, though. It's good for our elections.

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'It's okay to be white' flyers posted on doors of Montgomery Blair HS in Md.

http://wjla.com/news/local/its-okay-to-be-white-sign-posted-on-doors-of-montgomery-blair-hs-in-md

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Anonymous wrote:I got on a municipal bus in Miami and the driver told me (in Spanish) that he only hablo Espanol. (I don't believe the City of Miami would hire a driver who can't speak English....I just think he wanted ME to adapt to HIM.) if you come here, learn the damn language!

Learn which language? The US does not have an "official" language.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

Is the lady upthread some kind of official spokeswoman or something? Why does her single personal narrative hold so much weight with you? Moreover, since when is the single personal narrative off someone on an anonymous forum considered credible?

Still can't criticize her though, can you?

Sounds like she came from a tough background and is just trying to do the best she can for her kids. Just like the rest of us. Would you really do anything differently if you were in her shoes?

Yup...still can't criticize her. Liberals simply are so programmed to defend lawbreakers at all cost that will not say a bad word about someone who is illegal! I'm talking about her hypocrisy - saying that she has ESOL kids but she made sure she didn't put them in a school with a high ESOL population since those schools are bad. She doesn't want her own kids to have to be among others like them.

What would you do if you were in her situation?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

I wouldn't BE in her situation. I follow laws. And if I didn't, I would not mock the stupidity of Americans (which she did) and then brag about putting my ESOL kids in a school with low ESOL numbers to avoid the problems people such as I have created.

And I'm still waiting for you to criticize her for her hypocrisy.

So you and your kids would still be in El Salvador (or wherever), a third-world country with limited access to medical care and eduction. One of the highest murder rates in the world. No access to safe drinking water. Your kids would likely end up pulled into gang violence. You'd just stay there and not try to provide more for your children?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



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I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

You are clearly sock puppeting like crazy and nothing screams right-wing basket case like some dumb ass comparing areas with a lot of Salvadorans to South America. Just pathetically stupid.

Correct PP,
Clearly what NPP knows about SA, is what s/he has seen in one of those Indiana Jones movies, many, many years ago. LOL.
NPP, most South Americans in this area are from well educated backgrounds, but your narrow mind put all of us under the "bad hombres" slogan, of course. You should know that Public K-12 education here doesn't compare to the education that we received back there, and actually, we strive to put our children in private schools here to resemble the good education that we are used to. While we pay for private school and, pay our taxes as responsible citizens, we don't resent the tax money that goes to public school for a family that needs it, which could be an ESOL, Special Ed., General Ed, or Gifted student, because they are children, the future of this great nation. You know... charity, good will and love of humanity, you should practice that sometime.