Long may the shutdown continue

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP and people like OP are vile and evil.

People have dying relatives they need to get to.

People need to travel for medical treatments, sometimes life saving.

People need to do their jobs (which can involve travel) to stay employed.

Kids with divorced parents in different locations need to get home.

Just truly disgusting.

And we have all these totally out of touch GS whatever on here saying they can hold out for a year because they’re old and have lots of savings / their spouse has a high paying job / they’re independently wealthy. Glad you’ve had a cushy job for years but this is not about you. There are people making $50K a year cleaning the facilities and contractors who (unlike Feds) will NOT get back pay at all.

I was all for the Ds holding the line but enough is enough.

DC/MD/VA needs to order employers to stop withholding Federal taxes, and use local funds to keep people afloat until this crisis (MAGA) is over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

Democrats cave when Republicans take hostages. Their humanity is their weakness and the Republicans exploit it every single time

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

That’s fine. But just understand that you’re willing to miss your flight because Senator Schumer is trying to avoid a primary.

Or that Mike Johnson doesn't want to bring the House back because he would have to swear in a certain member that was elected almost 2 months ago. We can do this all day.

No we can’t do this all day. Because the Speaker said about a thousand times the House will be brought back into session 48 hours after the Senate passes the clean CR.

That would require the House pass a clean CR. What they passed that is sitting at the senate is not a clean CR. Add to it that teh CR was supposed to be a bridge to passing a full budget bill. That bill should have been ready now for debate and passage, but since the House hasn't been in session, the bill is not ready. That is not the Dems fault.

If it's not a clean CR then you'll need to explain what's new in it. Because that's what everyone is reporting, not just Fox.

My advice to the Dems would be to come out with a public statement saying they have decided to vote for the House CR because they don't want to see Americans suffer due to reduced SNAP benefits. However, if extension of the ACA subsidies aren't in the next House bill, they will not support it, same as this time. Give them warning to pull the snap payments forward and replenish the contingency funds.

It makes the Repubs look like heels and preserves their negotiating leverage, while giving Americans a break and the Trump admin some rope to hang themselves.

oh yeah sure, that will work
for sure

All these Republicans working in good faith. This time, Charlie Brown, this time it will work! Because it has to.

gettin right on that

It doesn't have to work. The CR that passes will only be good until Nov 21.

Dems will have their leverage back, plus any missing snap benefits in the Nov 21 shutdown will be 100% Trump admin's lack of planning. Then ask why Trump couldn't plan for it like any competent admin would do.

This isn't a Charlie Brown situation. This is a classic Judgement of Solomon situation. The Dems need to be the mother who refuses to split the baby in half.

Problem is that the time is now, and the leverage is now. No reason to put off until tomorrow, or two weeks, or whatever.

Right now, we can get money to hungry families (though NYT is covering that Trump is trying to claw back money off EBT cards). Right now, the military is being paid, as it is.

Who knows what fresh hell Trump will introduce in the next few weeks. You already know there are unidentified masked guys in unmarked vans pulling American citizens off the streets, right? Even former US military, without notifying their families, offering access to a lawyer, even feeding them?

Two weeks is a loooooooooooooooooong time to work up some good Insurrectionist Act manuevers.

Nope. The time is now. Americans expect something to change, and this is the only lever in hand.

You’re walking right into their trap. What the Repubs really want is to extend the CR into next year.

Give them the lame duck bill that's on the Senate floor now so that you can better resist extending the next CR without ACA subsidies. Put Trump on notice that he should pull forward next month's snap benefits and replenish the contingency fund. Any competent admin could get it done.

So, tell us what you give as odds that things will proceed smoothly after that until November 21 -- that the Trump government will come up with SNAP funds and military pay and allow the country to just chug on undisturbed until a good faith accounting for where we are at on November 21, to face whatever music needs to be faced.

Are you giving 100% chance of that, a for sure deal? 80%? 60%?

Don't know. But I know the Dems could blame any lack of snap funds on Trump for not planning for the known, expected shutdown on Nov 21.

The Trump admin is certainly competent when finding funds for a ballroom or to send to Argentina and other things they care about. They should apply that same when planning for snap during the shutdown.

My friend, why do you think it matters what Dems blame anything on? Has that EVER changed what Trump does in office? When?

Nobody is trying to convince Trump of anything. The man's brain is gone. The people who need convincing are the ones who will be voting in the next election.

Trump just pardoned the people who tried to change the voters' already cast votes of the last election. So....

[Anonymous]

How was it you thought it was going to go? The republicans were going to suddenly wake up, smack their heads and say “yes, you all were right! Of,course we will fix healthcare today!”. This is the Senate, where most of the Republicans already know what the President and administration are, and they never ever do anything about it. They know. They vote for these nominees. They can hold the line until 2026. At some point, this was going to have to stop. I don’t think the optics are as bad for the democrats as some of you are screaming about. It was bad back in the spring where they went down without a fight. This time they didn’t rubber stamp it and let the other side show their true colors to the electorate and some of the people actually felt the pain and couldn’t be accused of fearmongering. But the idea that enough republicans were going to crack is delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:How was it you thought it was going to go? The republicans were going to suddenly wake up, smack their heads and say “yes, you all were right! Of,course we will fix healthcare today!”. This is the Senate, where most of the Republicans already know what the President and administration are, and they never ever do anything about it. They know. They vote for these nominees. They can hold the line until 2026. At some point, this was going to have to stop. I don’t think the optics are as bad for the democrats as some of you are screaming about. It was bad back in the spring where they went down without a fight. This time they didn’t rubber stamp it and let the other side show their true colors to the electorate and some of the people actually felt the pain and couldn’t be accused of fearmongering. But the idea that enough republicans were going to crack is delusional.

Yes! And when they vote the subsidies down in December it will be on the Republicans. They can only close the government down for so long - have to consider who’s suffering.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are actually smarter than they look, for once. They will reopen the government with just the promise of a vote. Now, we know that R promises aren’t with the paper they’re written on. So when the Rs kill the subsidies and/or the ACA, the Ds have every advantage for the midterms . They can point to the fact that they tried. They can point to the fact that the president was willing to starve people and asked the Supreme Court to cut off money for kids food. They can point to the fact that the Rs did know the premiums were skyrocketing and decided that that was okay. You no longer have to ask the populace to imagine what the Rs would do - they did it. So one more year of this BS.

The Democrats are getting ready to blink and reopen the government. So what did they get from this mess? Maybe reopen before TN results? Maybe get the Epstein files released?

Epstein files will NOT make a difference to his supporters. He has proven to be a rapist and guilty on 34 felonies and it made no difference.

Democrats aren’t very smart and won’t hold the line. Midterms are so far away this argument won’t make a difference.

I’ve had my 12 hours to be angry, now it’s time to move on.

This was always going to be the case. Democrats underestimated Trump/Vought/Miller’s total willingness to destroy the federal government from the get. They naively thought they could appease them.

Did leadership handle this well? No. Should Schumer step down? Yes. Would someone with more courage been about to change the outcome. Unlikely.

It’s impossible to win a fight with nihilists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are actually smarter than they look, for once. They will reopen the government with just the promise of a vote. Now, we know that R promises aren’t with the paper they’re written on. So when the Rs kill the subsidies and/or the ACA, the Ds have every advantage for the midterms . They can point to the fact that they tried. They can point to the fact that the president was willing to starve people and asked the Supreme Court to cut off money for kids food. They can point to the fact that the Rs did know the premiums were skyrocketing and decided that that was okay. You no longer have to ask the populace to imagine what the Rs would do - they did it. So one more year of this BS.

The Democrats are getting ready to blink and reopen the government. So what did they get from this mess? Maybe reopen before TN results? Maybe get the Epstein files released?

Epstein files will NOT make a difference to his supporters. He has proven to be a rapist and guilty on 34 felonies and it made no difference.

Democrats aren’t very smart and won’t hold the line. Midterms are so far away this argument won’t make a difference.

I’ve had my 12 hours to be angry, now it’s time to move on.

This was always going to be the case. Democrats underestimated Trump/Vought/Miller’s total willingness to destroy the federal government from the get. They naively thought they could appease them.

Did leadership handle this well? No. Should Schumer step down? Yes. Would someone with more courage been about to change the outcome. Unlikely.

It’s impossible to win a fight with nihilists.

The only way to win a fight with nihilists is to destroy them. They want to destroy everything, turn the tables on them and let them self-destruct without taking everyone else down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

Democrats cave when Republicans take hostages. Their humanity is their weakness and the Republicans exploit it every single time

Exactly. And I am livid about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP and people like OP are vile and evil.

People have dying relatives they need to get to.

People need to travel for medical treatments, sometimes life saving.

People need to do their jobs (which can involve travel) to stay employed.

Kids with divorced parents in different locations need to get home.

Just truly disgusting.

And we have all these totally out of touch GS whatever on here saying they can hold out for a year because they’re old and have lots of savings / their spouse has a high paying job / they’re independently wealthy. Glad you’ve had a cushy job for years but this is not about you. There are people making $50K a year cleaning the facilities and contractors who (unlike Feds) will NOT get back pay at all.

I was all for the Ds holding the line but enough is enough.

DC/MD/VA needs to order employers to stop withholding Federal taxes, and use local funds to keep people afloat until this crisis (MAGA) is over.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How was it you thought it was going to go? The republicans were going to suddenly wake up, smack their heads and say “yes, you all were right! Of,course we will fix healthcare today!”. This is the Senate, where most of the Republicans already know what the President and administration are, and they never ever do anything about it. They know. They vote for these nominees. They can hold the line until 2026. At some point, this was going to have to stop. I don’t think the optics are as bad for the democrats as some of you are screaming about. It was bad back in the spring where they went down without a fight. This time they didn’t rubber stamp it and let the other side show their true colors to the electorate and some of the people actually felt the pain and couldn’t be accused of fearmongering. But the idea that enough republicans were going to crack is delusional.

Yep. People who are saying they should have held the line are probably not the same people who don’t know where their next meal will come from. They aren’t federal workers who are low enough on the pay scale to not have savings to fall back on. They are not the people who have critical travel coming up (sick relatives, medical care, work).

These things would only be leverage if Rs gave a rat’s a*s about these people. Clearly, they don’t.

The fact that Rs don’t even seem concerned with making enough voters happy enough to secure their own re-election is concerning. In the last few weeks of the presidential campaign, there seemed to be a shift. Trump gave up any facade of wanting to win people over. He stood behind the podium and rambled incessantly about whatever came to mind. Rs in congress are doing the same, just not as blatantly. They began “campaigning” to Trump rather than their constituents. I truly believe this marked the point where they knew they could rig whatever elections they wanted, voters be damned.

[Anonymous]

The democrats kept the shutdown to help elect the liberal governors in the election. However people now see it as a scam so hopefully never again

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

Democrats cave when Republicans take hostages. Their humanity is their weakness and the Republicans exploit it every single time

Exactly. And I am livid about it.

This. Republican= cruelty and Democrats=humanity. Evil vs good. sad world we live in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The democrats kept the shutdown to help elect the liberal governors in the election. However people now see it as a scam so hopefully never again

LOL sure thats why you all lost . Read something other than Fox.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

Democrats cave when Republicans take hostages. Their humanity is their weakness and the Republicans exploit it every single time

Exactly. And I am livid about it.

This. Republican= cruelty and Democrats=humanity. Evil vs good. sad world we live in.

What a simple world you live in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

Democrats cave when Republicans take hostages. Their humanity is their weakness and the Republicans exploit it every single time

Exactly. And I am livid about it.

So you think they shouldn’t have been humane? There is a reason this country does not negotiate with terrorists. And for all intents and purposes, the Republicans in congress fit the definition of domestic terrorists. They were willing to let children starve, watch planes fall out of the sky, kick millions of people off their health care. In other words, causing death and destruction across this country. All to keep us from finding out who the pedophiles are. How do you negotiate with that?